http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/9787378/

Since the "hiding in plain site" location in an office park has provoked such a backlash from churches, the Feds are taking a more proactive approach with their new "make a mexican disappear" center. Don't worry though, they'll still be officially denying that anyone is held there, won't allow contact with lawyers or family, and will be locking human beings in office buildings with no reasonable accommodations(beds/food/water) and no opportunity for appeal before they are disappeared.

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" Like ICE's current office in Cary, the new space will be used as an office, not a detention center, she said. "Like any law enforcement building, it's going to contain secure areas for holding and interviewing people that we arrest, but there is going to be no overnight bed space," she said. "

Translation: "We make them sleep on the floor."

Pay close attention. This is a stage II trial for dealing with undesirables, and one day it may be you.

6/27/2011 10:06:01 PM

In case you're unfamiliar with the bureaucratic disasters that can occur in secret prisons in blacked-out office buildings, examine the case of Mark Lyttle, who spent weeks in this very Cary detention center. Lyttle was a United States citizen, born and raised in North Carolina, two brothers in the army, spoke no spanish whatsoever, but was deported to Mexico anyway. His family searched desperately for him but received no help from police and assumed he was dead. He wandered around Central America in poverty for months until the U.S. Embassy in Guatamala managed to get him flown back to the states. When he landed with proper passport and documentation, ICE tried to deport him again.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/13/lawsuit-mentally-ill-citizen-wrongly-deported/

But they don't just hassle the mentally retarded. Here are stories of other full US citizens who were detained or deported just because they were brown or had a funny accent. Can YOU prove you're a citizen when you're stopped in a traffic stop? One girl even produced her birth certificate and was still held for three weeks in ICE detention and deported to Honduras.
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/07/27-6

[Edited on June 27, 2011 at 10:34 PM. Reason : .]

6/27/2011 10:26:47 PM

Well its not much of a secret if people know about it now.

6/27/2011 10:36:38 PM

That's their strategy. Build a nicer building on a prominent street corner and hope people assume that everything that goes on there is proper. It's the reason even poor-ass counties blow their budget building granite courthouses. If criminal trials were held in modest architecture sooner or later the people would say, "Hey, this is bullshit. The judge and prosecutor get their paychecks from the same guy and have lunch together. And none of those people on the jury look like me at all." But I digress...

Anyway, the roster of who is held in confinement and where most certainly IS still a secret. The goal is to create an environment of fear in the latino community(family members just disappear) and streamline the deportation process by keeping things quiet with as little due process as possible. Sure, some would argue that no due process is necessary, but I firmly believe that societies should be judged on how they treat the least among them. Not asylum, but at least decent living conditions during detention and reasonable access to some form of appeal process. When American citizens are being detained, considered illegal until proven innocent and deported, the process is clearly broken, and a fancy new building won't fix that.

[Edited on June 27, 2011 at 10:55 PM. Reason : .]

6/27/2011 10:50:30 PM

The prison isn't the problem. The problem is our outrageous immigration regime. People come here illegally because for most people, illegally is the only way to get here. I suggest we scrap the entire regime and replace it with a flat fee of $10k, about the same as immigrants currently pay to get their paperwork processed. Anyone that pays it gets to immigrate. Fire the bureaucrats, keep the money.

6/28/2011 12:16:44 AM

How about we open immigration to anyone who just doesn't have an extensive criminal background? Charge a moderate processing fee and disallow welfare for the first 1-3 years, which would hopefully cut down on a flood of people coming here for the wrong reasons.

6/28/2011 8:25:56 AM

^ People are willing to pay, so make them pay. And of course we disallow all government subsidies for their entire lives.

6/28/2011 9:08:15 AM

That's foolish. Once they're citizens they should have access to all the normal benefits that it provides. Even though I'm in favor of eliminating most entitlement programs, you can't have first and second class citizens. I'm just not in favor of instant citizenship and immediate welfare. That opens up all kinds of potential problems so you have to figure out someway to limit that without shutting the borders down. Immigration built this country and it will continue to do so, even if that means that what an "average America" looks like changes.

6/28/2011 9:14:58 AM

Feds(DHS) Investigating Wake County Jail for Human Rights Abuses
http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/9829279/

Here's my thread on these abuses from 2009.
http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=584676

This is the part of the story where ICE tries to pin this shit on the local sheriff, while continuing the same abuses just down the road at their own secret prison in Cary.

[Edited on July 7, 2011 at 8:45 PM. Reason : .]

7/7/2011 8:45:08 PM

Corrupt Cary Officials Lied When They Denied Knowledge of New Secret Federal Prison in Cary Neighborhood...City leaders actually knew about the detention center for a year.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/08/09/1400141/some-cary-staff-knew-of-ice-plans.html

8/24/2011 2:00:06 PM

The word is getting out, and people are becoming upset.

It seems that they are mainly upset that dirty mexicans are being kept in their neighborhoods, rather than any concern over abuses of detainees' human rights. But hey, there's no such thing as bad publicity.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/25/immigrant-detention-centers-florida-new-jersey_n_935430.html

8/25/2011 1:40:19 PM

Ongoing.

8/29/2011 2:45:45 PM

i used to work across from
140 Centrewest Court, Suite 100, Cary NC 27513 and i have observed van loads of hispanics being taken into the building on more than one occasion

8/29/2011 3:02:14 PM

ICE is terrified of public scrutiny, refuses to detain openly illegal immigrants. They know the media will be all over them and their secret prisons.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/09/08/2588049/protesters-wont-face-ice.html

9/11/2011 2:38:47 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/20/undocumented-pregnant-woman-gives-birth-in-shackles_n_971955.html

Local Cops Intimidate Activists that Complained to Feds
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2011/09/21/tennessee-latinos-angered-over-alleged-ice-racial-profiling/

ICE detainee goes on hunger strike to protest jail conditions, dies of cholera in custody.
http://online.wsj.com/article/APc100abc244db4732b2ac6a25eaa31172.html

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ICE is looking for a new place to hide their prison after Cary uproar.
http://www.carynews.com/2011/09/10/43167/ice-office-search-resumes.html


[Edited on September 21, 2011 at 2:31 PM. Reason : .]

9/21/2011 2:25:52 PM

Just put it in Johnston County, there will be no citizen uproar

9/21/2011 2:35:05 PM

True.



Benson, NC, 1980.

9/21/2011 2:37:30 PM

I'll bet they move it to apex now.

9/26/2011 10:29:52 AM

So I'm just curious what your solution to the illegal immigration problem is. Instant amnesty and open borders right?

Chances are if you're brown, don't speak any English, and only have a Matricula Consular (or perhaps a dubious SS card), you're an illegal immigrant. Those people are here illegally and need to be processed and deported. Hence the need for processing centers. Please share with us your infallible plan for handling these folks.

9/26/2011 3:43:18 PM

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"what your solution to the illegal immigration problem is"

First you gotta accurately define the problem...Illegal immigration has become a political talking point more than anything else. some people have become so incensed at the idea of 'illegals' they would support execution on sight....and they can't even accurately describe the problem other than the standard talking points.

the mere fact that a person is on a certain piece of land w/o the proper paper is, in itself, not a problem.

9/26/2011 3:55:39 PM

You can't hate on the ones who come here to work an honest job and help pump money back into the economy. The one's that cause the issue at hand here are the ones plundering welfare and medicaid for their 5 kids, and not contributing anything.

9/26/2011 4:11:57 PM

^sounds like the problem there is with the welfare system....does being an american citizen give you the right to abuse the system?

9/26/2011 4:30:34 PM

Fuck off with this immigration shit. This is a thread about prison conditions and access to counsel.

9/26/2011 4:35:44 PM

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"Hence the need for processing centers. Please share with us your infallible plan for handling these folks."

I don't really have a problem with processing centers, even though I believe they're part of grossly inadequate and misguided immigration policy.

What I do have a problem with is:

A lack of transparency.
A lack of access to lawyers and advocates.
A lack of access to basic health care.
A lack of access to basic living accommodations (e.g., a bed and toilet).


These are issues that can and should be remedied without immigration reform.

9/26/2011 4:40:04 PM

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"Fuck off with this immigration shit. This is a thread about prison conditions and access to counsel."

u mad?

you sure don't have a problem trying to derail other sb threads

9/26/2011 4:52:52 PM

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"Fuck off with this immigration shit. This is a thread about prison conditions and access to counsel."

Well they're not in this country legally, so they don't have the same rights that citizens do. I've got news for you, this sort of thing happens all over the world. Break the law in a foreign country and you might get pushed around by the authorities. I wonder how the Mexicans treat illegal immigrants coming in through their southern border?

9/26/2011 6:22:02 PM

We're better than that. Perhaps you are not.

9/26/2011 7:10:04 PM

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"Well they're not in this country legally, so they don't have the same rights that citizens do."

And the rights illegals don't have are...?

9/26/2011 7:16:48 PM

"We're ICE, we don't need a warrant."

http://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rights/we-dont-need-warrant-were-ice

10/23/2011 12:22:40 AM

Since the uproar from cary citizens when they tried to build a new prison, they've been constructing an addition to the existing federal black prison at 140 Centrewest Court, Cary. They seem to have failed every building inspection so far, so perhaps Cary is being particularly careful with this facility, considering it houses prisoners 24/7. ICE is still claiming that no prisoners are kept overnight, which is a blatant lie according to observers and testimony from former detainees.

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"The Town of Cary chose not to sign the Certificate of Procurement Integrity agreement sent by the General Services Administration to each of the jurisdictions being considered for the ICE facility.The agreement, if signed, would allow the Town to receive more information and participate at some level in the confidential process; however, the Town would have to agree not to share information received from the GSA, which is a violation of North Carolina public records law. "

9/15/2014 9:28:35 AM