http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/06/17/marine.corps.exercise/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

6/19/2011 7:08:08 PM

IBTOspreyCrash

6/19/2011 7:17:41 PM

well that heading is certainly taking liberties

couldn't possibly be training to land on the coasts of Lybia, Yemen, Syria, Pakistan, or Egypt--all coasts we're 100x more likely to visit in the near future.

6/19/2011 7:18:24 PM

Pakistan is an ally and we have strategic border advantage on all the other countries you listed.

[Edited on June 19, 2011 at 8:43 PM. Reason : none of which have powerful military anyway besides pak who again is an ally.]

6/19/2011 8:42:20 PM

when was the last large beach landing? korea? i know vietnam had a lot of river landings, but was there ever a beach invasion?

6/19/2011 9:03:36 PM

nice thread as always Earl

6/19/2011 9:14:06 PM

This is just a large-force exercise (LFE). There are a variety of them out there; we do them from time to time. I'm actually going to be doing a bunch of planning tomorrow in order to fly a mission in this exercise on Tuesday. Not only are LFEs completely normal and not even remotely indicative of upcoming military action, but this is a 2d MAW exercise--in other words, it's just for the air wing...to the best of my knowledge, the ground forces at Lejeune that would be involved in an amphibious assault are not even part of this exercise.

...and even if they were, that's what they fucking do. Calling their practicing an amphibious landing the prelude to an assault on Iran from the Gulf would be like calling me taking off to practice making a strike the prelude to an attack on Tehran or nuclear facilities.

[Edited on June 19, 2011 at 11:24 PM. Reason : ^^^ I think Inchon, in the Korean War.]

[Edited on June 19, 2011 at 11:25 PM. Reason : ]

6/19/2011 11:21:03 PM

You're too low level to be in the know anyway. you're just like all of us with your speculation. Of course they aren't going to tell the whole world why they are doing it.

6/20/2011 12:36:56 AM

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"IBTOspreyCrash"

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2011/02/osprey-hits-100000-hours.html

6/20/2011 6:58:37 AM

wow, e man is that stupid.

6/20/2011 7:27:23 AM

^^^But clearly you know

^pretty much

6/20/2011 8:25:33 AM

^^^^ motherfucker, amphibious landing isn't even part of this exercise. The people who would do it won't even be present. I don't try to tell you how to be a retarded dipshit, and I don't need you to school me up on tactical aviation or international politics in the middle east.

6/20/2011 8:43:36 AM

I said his speculation is no better than mine and this thread is obviously speculation. For you to come out and definitively say what they aren't training for is bogus. Assuming they were training for that, do you really think they would make it obvious what they were doing?

6/20/2011 1:38:40 PM

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"wow, e man is that stupid."

He's not that stupid...just a shitty troll, as his endless of string of shitty usernames indicate.

6/20/2011 1:53:09 PM

Wow. Paranoia much?

6/20/2011 1:54:58 PM

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"Wow. Paranoia much?"

It's not paranoia. It's trolling.

Here, I'll make it official.

6/20/2011 2:00:38 PM

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" I said his speculation is no better than mine and this thread is obviously speculation. For you to come out and definitively say what they aren't training for is bogus. Assuming they were training for that, do you really think they would make it obvious what they were doing?"

1. Seriously? My "speculation" is no better than yours?
2. No, I've offered pretty conclusive proof that this has nothing to do with any amphibious landing, much less one on Iran.

6/20/2011 6:39:34 PM

Yeah but what you said was like saying a team is not preparing for a football season because the kicker offense wasn't on the field.

6/20/2011 6:58:32 PM

No, what I said is that the football team isn't practicing for the extra point, because neither the kicker nor any other special teams are on the field, and in fact, they are at the 50-yard line running passing plays.

6/20/2011 7:09:02 PM

Then its like they are practicing everything leading up to the actual kick. Getting into range, getting on the right hash and snapping the ball. They can't make it obvious because a full sea assault drill would look very hostile.

6/20/2011 8:09:42 PM

The USMC conducting an amphibious assault exercise would look hostile? You realize that's what we do, right? That's like saying that the USAF flying airplanes or the US Navy sailing ships would look hostile.

6/20/2011 8:48:19 PM

Never on this scale though. You have to consider that this is the biggest drill EVER on the east coast already.

6/20/2011 8:55:29 PM

Just shut the fuck up. Who gives a fuck if its the largest ever. Thats a useless data point that a chode like you thinks means something.

6/20/2011 9:24:42 PM

1. It has nothing to do with amphibious assault.

2. It is the largest east coast exercise for 2d MAW, not MEF or MARDIV, who would be doing amphibious stuff. This is aviation-centric.

3. The big exercises go on the west coast. Even east coast squadrons largely go to the west coast for big LFEs (bigger than this one). We have smaller LFEs on the east coast, and in the grand scheme, this one is still not big. It is bigger than your normal east coast USMC aviation exercise. That's good for training compared to the normal ops, and it's good in that squadrons don't have to go through the aggravation and expense of packing up and going to Yuma or Nellis for a month or two, keeping people away from home that much more on top of strenuous dePloyment cycles. It is not, however, a particularly large aviation exercise, much less a large combined arms exercise.

Tomorrow's mission is going to involve something like 15 aircraft and maybe 75 ground personnel. Hardly a Red Flag, CAX, ME phase, or WTI course, much less any sort of road to war.

For perspective, a normal MAG-14 "LFE" would probably have half that number or a little more, but not involve all the agencies like military air traffic control or LAAD.

[Edited on June 20, 2011 at 9:36 PM. Reason : ]

6/20/2011 9:26:13 PM

(big stuff goes on the west coast simply due to geography. There's a lot more open space out there to do it.)

6/20/2011 9:37:48 PM

And on top of all that, why the fuck would we conduct an amphibious invasion of Iran to begin with? Even if we wanted to invade them with ground forces, we already have them surrounded in Iraq and afghanistan. No need to go in from the gulf, especially with how precarious the straits of Hormuz would be.

Of course, there isn't going to be any invasion of Iran, period. If we did anything at all to Iran, it would just be to knock out their nuke sites, and that would be done with TLAM and B-2s.

6/20/2011 9:43:41 PM

^you have the powers, just make the E Man disappear for a little while. he's retarded.

6/20/2011 11:12:37 PM

Good to see the marines training for amphibious assault again, and not as the army's back-up brigade in the desert.

It seems that the roles of the various branches have been blurred in the past ten years, guard units especially. I don't know if that's for better or worse.

6/20/2011 11:24:06 PM

^^You don't feel like our naval supremacy is much greater than the stale mate Iran's modern anti-aircraft would cause coming from Iraq? Not to mention iraq would be completely unstable given the shitstorm Iran's 15 million hezbollah fighters would cause from marching in to arm the thugs hours after war begins. Afghanistan is not an option. We can't cross the great salt desert.

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"Overview of Naval Confrontation against Iran The Pentagon has already drawn up plans for U.S. sponsored attacks on Iran and Syria.3 Despite the public posturing of diplomacy by the United States and Britain, just like the Iraq Invasion, Iran and Syria sense another Anglo-American war in the horizon. Both countries have been strengthening their defenses for the eventuality of war with the Anglo-American alliance. A conflict against Iran and Syria, if it were to materialize, would be unlike previous Anglo-American sponsored conflicts. It would be wider in scope, deadlier, and have active aerial and water (naval) fronts. Sea power would be of greater significance than in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Lebanon. The United States would covet a quick victory. The chances of this happening are unknown. If there were to be a conflict with Iran, the United States and it partners would want to keep the Straits of Hormuz open for the flow of international oil. The Straits of Hormuz are the “energy lifeline of the world.” The United States would without doubt quickly aim for the collapse of the Iranian and Syrian commands and military structures. It must be noted that the Iranian Armed Forces are characterized by well structured military organization, with advanced military capabilities, when compared to Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Lebanon. Moreover, Iran has been preparing for a scenario of war with the Anglo-American alliance for almost a decade. These preparations were stepped up following the NATO-U.S. led attack on Yugoslavia (1999). The types of military units and weapons systems being deployed in the Persian Gulf and Arabian Sea by the United States are considered to be best suited for combat against Iran, also with a view to keeping the Straits of Hormuz open for oil tankers. This also includes forces that would be able to secure bridgeheads on the Iranian coastline. These U.S. forces consist of early warning units, recognizance, amphibious elements, maritime search and rescue units, minesweepers, and rapid deployment units."

More here
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15212.htm

Basically, given the stale-mate condition of us trying to invade Iran, the southwestern coast would be the best entry point. Not just to provide support for ground troops but to be the initial "softner" of the Iranian forces on the sw portion of the country.

[Edited on June 20, 2011 at 11:29 PM. Reason : There is such thing as amphibious air assaults which is what I think they are practicing for]

[Edited on June 20, 2011 at 11:29 PM. Reason : air force can't just bomb everything as we see in libya. ]

[Edited on June 20, 2011 at 11:32 PM. Reason : bold]

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"it would just be to knock out their nuke sites"

those babies are too numerous and too well bunkered for that. Also, as I said, Russian anti-aircraft and anti-stealth technology is a bitch

[Edited on June 20, 2011 at 11:35 PM. Reason : not so fast corso]

6/20/2011 11:26:24 PM

ITT Earl talks out of his ass.

6/20/2011 11:55:45 PM

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"These U.S. forces consist of early warning units, recognizance, amphibious elements, maritime search and rescue units, minesweepers, and rapid deployment units."

Do you think that Marine Force Recognizance is involved?

6/21/2011 12:06:31 AM

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"No need to go in from the gulf, especially with how precarious the straits of Hormuz would be."

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6/21/2011 10:40:22 AM

recognizance units are serious business

6/21/2011 10:50:05 AM

ITT we all go full retard.

6/21/2011 12:30:27 PM

Relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRy6uO37j1o

6/21/2011 12:47:15 PM

I'd love to participate in war games against Canada, cause fuck those guys.

6/21/2011 1:20:15 PM

Vancouver has already started training.

6/21/2011 1:27:04 PM

I still love the fact that Earl accuses Duke of not being high enough on the chain to know things, yet spouts out military facts (which are mostly incorrect) non-stop

6/21/2011 1:59:06 PM

care to elaborate ?

6/21/2011 2:06:20 PM

E, while you are it, tell me what I don't know about the Naval side of this amphibious landing training.

6/22/2011 5:30:38 PM

I'm a troll playing a troll, disguised as another troll

6/22/2011 8:27:49 PM

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"The Pentagon has already drawn up plans for U.S. sponsored attacks on Iran and Syria."

No shit. There are plans for attacking all kinds of places.

6/23/2011 3:11:55 PM

I believe plans are on the books to invade Canada. These people sit around waiting for an invasion to actually get to work. Until that day, they practice making invasion plans of everywhere on the planet, from retaking Texas to occupying Norway.

6/23/2011 3:21:02 PM

no, they don't

6/24/2011 1:30:36 AM

They do, however, run simulations out the ass and then generate oplans for anywhere that might conceivably be an issue.

6/24/2011 8:41:58 AM

^^^^^ ahaha . . . WIN

6/24/2011 12:34:46 PM