Horrible. and it's getting worse.

Based on a few users, that section is nigh unreadable right now.

Every other thread is derailed. No one stays on topic and conversations turn to personal insults nearly every page.

Seriously?

2/25/2011 12:54:33 PM

This is what happens when you let guys like Milkboner run free

One bad apple you know

I'm much more tolerable when he's not around

2/25/2011 1:06:30 PM

Ernie what are you still whining about? I doubt he's talking about me as I mostly stay in the Credibility thread or the Coaching Search thread that I made that you and your Sid Lowe sunshine squad followers tried your damnedest to derail and fuck up.

If anything you need a bit of time off for post stalking me and taking the polar opposite stance of anything I post just to be a douche. It's making you look ridiculous in there at this point, i.e. claiming their is no correlation between college coaches success and their salaries.

2/25/2011 1:42:49 PM

Noted. And

Quote :

" It stopped before long but: There will be no Lowe arguments outside of the two Lowe threads and the coaching search thread. If I see it I'll warn you once, the next time you'll be gone for a week. A select few people are hellbent on ruining any thread that certain other people post in and that stops now. "

2/25/2011 1:51:06 PM

Mods need to be held accountable. With no system in place to ensure they remain impartial, incidents like this will inevitably occur.

And I've already made abundantly clear my feelings on NyM's performance. Clearly I have defeated this earthworm with my words - imagine what I would have done with my fire breathing fists.

2/25/2011 2:14:41 PM

Milkboner you are exactly the kind of person I'm talking about.

Some random examples:

Quote :

" poptarts > NC State basketball NC State hoops is Poptarts little bitch. Fuck me running sideways doing a cart wheel damn it let's wait for the recruits, let's WAIT FOR THE RECRUITS!!! Come on we all knew with a certainty never before experienced in history of man kind that we weren't going to win games, right?"

Shit like that is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

2/25/2011 2:19:44 PM

That was immediately (within minutes) after the heart breaking loss to UNC, and posted in the credibility thread, WHERE IT BELONGS after a group of about 6 or 7 users posted 2-3 pages about poptarts being the head coach. I kid you not, 2-3 pages of poptarts in the Sidney Lowe credibility thread. Now who is the ones derailing threads?

Start here:
message_topic.aspx?topic=502804&page=281
message_topic.aspx?topic=502804&page=282
I'm sure all of that was just fine and dandy with you though right, slackerb?

How about the 1st 3 pages of the coaching search thread? Just terrible trolling and derailing the thread for 3 pages.
link: message_topic.aspx?topic=608991

^ is that your only example of my 700 posts?

[Edited on February 25, 2011 at 2:34 PM. Reason : V yup, instigated by none other than Ernie]

2/25/2011 2:21:30 PM

All in favor of Pop Tarts say aye

[Edited on February 25, 2011 at 2:39 PM. Reason : Milkboner I'm gonna pencil you in for an aye]

2/25/2011 2:26:58 PM

It's like Ernie and select few of certain other users instigate the derailing of the two threads that I post in while not holding back on their personal attacks, and then has the audacity to come into feedback forum whining that all of the threads in all of sports talk have been derailed and that I've scathed them with personal attacks, when it's the exact opposite. It's absurd is what it is.

[Edited on February 25, 2011 at 2:52 PM. Reason : []

2/25/2011 2:49:40 PM

Man, look, I made a post about Pop Tarts as a joke, because that thread is 200 whatever pages full of jokes. I'm sorry that people ran with it, but it's not like it detracted from any meaningful commentary.

You showing up in the tourney thread to remind everyone that Lowe sucks and our chances of winning are nil is not comparable. There was actual conversation taking place and you have to bust in sourpussing it up.

The Wolf Web exists for the amusement of its users. Throwaway posts about Pop Tarts in a thread that exists only as a wasteland for shitheads like you is a part of that. You contribute nothing to any conversation, you're only here to take any post about the basketball program off the rails straight into Lowe Sucks town.

I make a post in the coaching search thread (which by the way why is that thread even open) not even directed toward you and you turn it into some personal attack on your crusade.

We all know you're biding your time until the mods get tired of your shit. NyM is finally coming around, you have no chance to survive, make your time.

Yours in Christ,

Ernie

[Edited on February 25, 2011 at 3:24 PM. Reason : You can stop PMing me now]

2/25/2011 3:15:08 PM

You sure do post a whole hell of a lot in that wasteland of a thread that is "just for shit heads like me". My post in the ACC tournament thread was indeed a pertinent question inquiring if Lowe had ever won 4 ACC games in a row, because that's what it's going to take to win the ACC tournament and because I did not know the answer. See the main difference here is that was a relevant post I made to the thread, and not a "throw away" post about Poptarts credibility.

[Edited on February 25, 2011 at 3:31 PM. Reason : .]

2/25/2011 3:30:15 PM

Uh, there is no question about Pop Tarts' credibility. That's why Pop Tarts is the perfect breakfast snack for the job.

2/25/2011 3:32:13 PM

Quote :

"Uh, there is no question about Pop Tarts' credibility. That's why Pop Tarts is the perfect breakfast snack for the job."

Quote :

"He's not here to discuss things, he's here to troll"

you're not doing much for your credibility in this argument, Ernie.

lead from the front
be the poster you want others to be
etc



to address the OP, in times of frustration with our athletic programs, Sports Talk naturally gets a little rowdy, emotions are high, and arguments erupt. I don't think there has been a single day in the history of Sports Talk that did not include some personal attacks and/or trolling.

tww has always had a policy of looser moderation, and typically that's the way people like it. does that mean I like seeing personal attacks and trolling in every thread? nope. there are always going to be topics where controversial opinions and loud personalities dominate the conversation. we try to keep the majority of the bickering to a few threads and as long as personal rivalries don't constantly spill over into other threads, imo it seems to work pretty well.

2/25/2011 4:19:28 PM

Quote :

"lead from the front be the poster you want others to be"

Thing is, if everyone were posting about Pop Tarts and Pizza Bagels and just generally having a jolly good time, TWW would be awesome. I want more people like this, who don't take shit so seriously, who can let people discuss improbable scenarios without getting apoplectic. I want less people who pay $5 just to cause a ruckus, who don't really have anything to contribute other than Debbie Downer sad trombone posts.

But if that's the type of community you guys want to create, have at it.

Condemn me, it does not matter. History will absolve me.

2/25/2011 4:41:02 PM

in all seriousness, the "Basketball Coaching Search Thread" needs to be locked.
message_topic.aspx?topic=608991

not only is it in poor taste, but since we have a basketball coach and are not currently conducting a coaching search it goes against a basic precedent Sports Talk has been modded on since the beginning - relevant sports information. joke threads are not tolerated, why are hypothetical threads?

making up hypothetical situations and coaching searches DO NOT warrant their own thread, and I guarantee you if i made a "Football Coaching Search Thread" it would be deleted. just because some users here think Lowe will be gone at the end of the season and the media has mentioned it a lot lately does not mean this thread is currently relevant. there is a 285+ page thread discussing our coaches credibility and it would be fair to keep all coaching conversations in there, since the job is currently Lowe's. lock it up until there actually is a coaching search or modding will seem inconsistent in the future when other threads are locked or trashed for being irrelevant.

*don't come up in here and get butt-hurt Milkboner, this isn't directed at you even though you started the thread. and don't put words in my mouth saying i'm spewing some "he's one of us" crap like you enjoy doing so much.

2/25/2011 7:12:44 PM

but Pack Pride is talking about potential new coaches, so we MUST have a thread about it

2/25/2011 11:15:53 PM

Don't forget the national media, local media, people who have LTRs at the games, in my office at work and offices around NC and generally anyone who is a State fan anywhere. I appreciate your concerns about that thread and I realize the job is still being held by Sidney Lowe, but IMO it's foolish to curtail a conversation being talked about by State fans everywhere.

2/26/2011 9:33:06 AM

it's fine if you want to leave it open, i appreciate you addressing my concerns civilly. i realize many media outlets and people are talking about Lowe's job right now, but the point i'm trying to make is that he still has that job. until then, a coaching search thread is 190% irrelevant to Sports Talk. i'm not putting my fingers in my ears and trying to ignore all the talk, but i feel one 285+ page thread to talk about the coach is enough. ultimately it's your call, and whether i agree with it or not, it is what it is.

i just hope you understand the precedent you are setting for modding in that section. hypothetical threads are fair game, and locking/trashing them in the future conveys to the rest of the user base preferential treatment to preferred users and topics.

2/26/2011 9:49:38 AM

the difference between milkboners trolling and the those trolling against them is analogous to the difference between bill oreilly and colbert

I respect you and what you have done to benefit tww qntmfred, but extending tolerance and inclusion to individuals who have twice before crossed the line (and will undoubtedly do it again) is just asking for unrest and bitching from the same people who have already done it twice before.

Whatever, he'll be suspended again pretty soon I bet.

2/26/2011 12:27:42 PM

Quote :

"to address the OP, in times of frustration with our athletic programs, Sports Talk naturally gets a little rowdy, emotions are high, and arguments erupt. I don't think there has been a single day in the history of Sports Talk that did not include some personal attacks and/or trolling. tww has always had a policy of looser moderation, and typically that's the way people like it. does that mean I like seeing personal attacks and trolling in every thread? nope. there are always going to be topics where controversial opinions and loud personalities dominate the conversation. we try to keep the majority of the bickering to a few threads and as long as personal rivalries don't constantly spill over into other threads, imo it seems to work pretty well. "

I realize that things have gotten so bad because of the state of our athletics, but IMO, this is the worst I've seen it. I've been a member here almost as long as you qfred, I've read Sports Talk for going on 8 years.....and this is possibly the worst I've seen it. I recognize and agree that less moderation is usually better, but I think in this case we need a bit more direction and moderation.

Personally, I think the coaching search thread is fine. There's nothing wrong with a topic about speculation about the future.

The actual posts, by users like Ernie, Milkboner, etc. are what I take issue with. It's not amusing, constructive, or even remotely related to Sports talk usually. It's basic trolling usually, and it has been allowed to the point where they dominate most major threads.

2/26/2011 1:48:27 PM

Quote :

"qntmfred"

,

I have an idea. It might be crazy, but I'm just a crazy type of guy! Let me bounce this off of you and lets see what you and TWW have to say about it.

When someone comes into FF and they bitch about a troll and ask for him/her to be suspended, and that person who is bitching about the troll does the very same thing that they are asking the other person to be suspended for should be suspended.

So if you want a user suspended for trolling ST and they troll ST, perhaps they should receive the ban hammer.

2/27/2011 4:10:15 PM

Quote :

"My post in the ACC tournament thread was indeed a pertinent question inquiring if Lowe had ever won 4 ACC games in a row, because that's what it's going to take to win the ACC tournament and because I did not know the answer."

Bullshit. You knew the answer to that question before you even asked it.
In fact here is your post from 4 minutes later in case you don't remember.

Quote :

"nah, 3 games .. final ACC regular season game and 2 in the acc tourny (last year)"

You should be worried that pretending to be that stupid almost works for you

[Edited on March 1, 2011 at 8:42 AM. Reason : asdf]

3/1/2011 8:41:38 AM

CITIZENS ARREST! CITIZENS ARREST!



I guess you really believe it's just impossible that I could have been going through our old schedules looking for the answer myself. Nice try, Inspector Gadget.

[Edited on March 1, 2011 at 1:13 PM. Reason : .]

3/1/2011 1:06:16 PM

^ So the premise of your argument is that you are indeed that stupid. Good to know...

3/1/2011 3:03:15 PM

Yes. I'm pretty stupid, you should probably just ignore me.

3/1/2011 7:33:00 PM

M. Boner, seems like you've turned it down a notch. I think we can proceed amicably from here out.

Which is good, because I thought you were gonna have to hire an outside security firm, cause I was gonna hunt you and your family down like a wild wounded animal. You know, in a tireless campaign of car-keying, tire-flattening, house-spraypainting, dead animal in mailbox-inserting, late-night heavy breathing for your girlfriend or significant other -- all the classics. Oh, but after you suggested Coach Watson, I totally called off my reign of holy terror for two more weeks. You know, unless you troll a couple more threads in Sports Talk. Then I suggest you vacate the tri-state area for good.

3/1/2011 8:03:35 PM

Deal man (except there may be some trolling of your Braves thread j/k). Also, if we land Billy Donovan/Ricky Barnes we'll get the whole TWW crew and we'll go out somewhere and get extremely drunk.

[Edited on March 1, 2011 at 8:26 PM. Reason : .]

3/1/2011 8:25:28 PM

If we get either Donovan or Barnes I will personally cover your tab that night.

3/2/2011 3:08:02 PM

3/2/2011 3:37:42 PM

I thought this thread was about Bullet.

Dude never does anything but derail threads and call people trolls.

It's like he doesn't have an opinion on anything. Just wants to be a good fan!

3/3/2011 12:25:57 AM

A thread for every baseball team having at least 1 fan. Completely necessary.

3/3/2011 7:22:02 AM

The whole damn place has become ShitChat2.0.

Whether you agree or disagree with the thread, threads shouldn't be "trashed" by pic bombs, troll posts, etc.

Perfect example:

http://brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=608991&page=12\

Why even have moderation at all...is it used to clean that shithole up?

I'm not asking for it to be all stringent and shit...I'd just like my sports to be on-par with Old School and the Lounge...and less like chit chat.

3/3/2011 10:24:57 AM

Get the fuck out of here

3/3/2011 11:16:07 AM

why?

Of course you'd want me to get the fuck out of here....you're one of the offenders I'm talking about.

3/3/2011 12:38:41 PM

Do you even post in sports talk?

3/3/2011 12:55:37 PM

Why does that even matter?

I read Sports Talk, post ocassionally, and that's enough to make me qualified to discuss this.

Seriously, your rebuttals are "Get the fuck out of here" and questioning my post count?

Why not bring some rational fucking argument to the table.

Oh, and while we're at it, I've been here longer than you.

3/3/2011 1:58:38 PM

No you haven't user_info.aspx?user=8173

My point is that if you aren't someone who regularly engages in the community, why does your opinion matter. I'm not going to tell the guys who post in the soap box how to do their jobs. Maybe follow qf's advice above and post the content you'd like to see.

Who's on your coaching dream team? How about adding to the conversation instead of sitting back and bitching over a couple of silly photoshops. That type of stuff has always been around and always will be around. Sports Talk is not serious business, there's going to be some fun being had by the guys who post regularly.



[Edited on March 3, 2011 at 2:18 PM. Reason : message_topic.aspx?topic=609801&page=1#14621049 chit chat post]

3/3/2011 2:14:41 PM

I will say that as a casual basketball follower I like having the coaching thread open. I work with a lot of state alumni and basketball is something that gets brought up all the time. Just yesterday my boss and another guy were discussing what rumors they've heard about Lowe's departure and any potential coaches. Nearly every day this season I get asked by duke and unc fans what will happen to Lowe. Older alumni I work with who have a long history and are netwworked through the WPC are asked if they have heard anything about Lowe.

The thread isn't just some blasphemous attack on Lowe, it is one of THE top questions our fans and rivals have about NC State. Locking it up would be just putting your fingers in your ears and thinking of a happy place to try and ride some moral high horse while nc state basketball is crumbling around you.

3/5/2011 8:57:57 AM

What if Yow decides to keep him on for some reason? There is plenty of discussion about what is going to happen to Lowe in the Credibility thread but preemptive threads are just stupid. We currently have NO COACHING SEARCH...

3/5/2011 12:08:41 PM

The Coaching Search thread is basically discussion about "IF Lowe is gone, who could replace him?"

I see no good reason why this discussion can't take place...

We discuss things that have yet to happen all the time. Hell, lets not discuss recruits in the recruitment thread if the coaches haven't made contact with them yet. Let's not discuss our chances to make the NIT if we haven't finished the season yet....etc.

3/5/2011 1:24:48 PM

There is no coaching search and there MIGHT (slim chance) not be one at all this year.
Preemptive threads are stupid. An example for those of you too dense to pick up on it: http://brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=609874
It is very likely that at the end of the season we will be undergoing a coaching search.
It is also very likely that next season we will have a loosing record against Duke and UNC and that at least a portion of our fanbase will be questioning the coach's credibility. Both threads are dependent upon something happening that HASN'T ACTUALLY HAPPENED. Both threads have no place in ST.

Quote :

" Hell, lets not discuss recruits in the recruitment thread if the coaches haven't made contact with them yet."

We are actively recruiting student athletes so a thread devoted to that is reasonable we are not currently "recruiting" a new head coach so a thread devoted to that is stupid.

3/5/2011 1:41:50 PM

Quote :

"What if Yow decides to keep him on for some reason?"

then we'll make the "Fire Yow" thread

3/5/2011 5:56:47 PM

^and that will actually be a relevant thread. You see even boner gets how stupid the coaching search thread is and he created the fucking thread.

3/5/2011 6:00:41 PM

Quote :

"We are actively recruiting student athletes so a thread devoted to that is reasonable we are not currently "recruiting" a new head coach so a thread devoted to that is stupid."

That's silly. I know years of having an incompetent AD have hurt us, but if you don't think Yow and a search party aren't doing some background work and possibly even putting out feelers (not necessarily direct contact) I have a bridge to sell you.

I don't understand why people shouldn't be able to talk about it. I honestly don't. I can't even see the other side of the argument, something I'm usually good about doing. It's talked about EVERYWHERE. Shit, I have a conversation about the next coach almost every day in my office.

I agree exactly with what ThePeter said...

3/5/2011 6:07:32 PM

A coaching change may not happen. It is a slippery slope to start making hypothetical threads. The 2011-12 coach credibility thread is a perfect example of what could happen. I agree that it is extremely likely that we will have a new coach next year. However I would also argue that it is just as likely that there will be angst about who and how the (potential) new coach is doing. Therefore a credibility watch is most likely going to happen just like a coaching search is most likely going to happen. The point is both threads are warranted or none at all.

3/5/2011 6:54:40 PM

adder, where do you propose a thread about our basketball belong? Chit Chat isn't a place for a serious discussion about something hypothetical.

Anyway, if you don't like the subject/thread, shut the fuck up and move on. If people want to discuss it, why should anyone care what you think?

3/5/2011 7:03:52 PM

Quote :

"adder, where do you propose a thread about our basketball belong?"

It isn't a thread about our basketball it is a thread that may be pertinent at the end of the season WHEN WE ARE ACTUALLY HAVING A COACHING SEARCH. Right now it is just in poor taste considering the head coaching job is currently occupied.

If we are allowing threads that might be relevant at some point in the future why was the remembering Sidney Lowe thread locked?

[Edited on March 5, 2011 at 7:43 PM. Reason : asdf]

3/5/2011 7:36:16 PM

Who gives a shit. We have a thread for the upcoming coaching search in ST. I'm pretty sure Lowe's feelings aren't going to be hurt any worse because of a thread on TWW. Now if you're so opposed to it don't post in there or just don't click the thread. Just give it a rest.

[Edited on March 5, 2011 at 8:06 PM. Reason : time to quit beating around the bush here]

[Edited on March 5, 2011 at 8:09 PM. Reason : hey I don't like soccer, can we please lock the soccer threads ]

3/5/2011 8:03:12 PM

How I feel about the thread is irrelevant (you need to work on your reading comprehension ohboneeeerrr). I am simply pointing out the inconsistent modding in ST. If we are now allowing hypothetical threads my credibility thread should be unlocked along with the remembering sidney lowe thread. I think the likelihood of us getting a new coach and the likelihood that some of you will be seriously unhappy are pretty much equal.

3/5/2011 8:33:04 PM

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3/5/2011 9:03:57 PM