For the first time since the 19th century:
11/3/2010 11:27:53 AM
Whatever will Beeeeeev do?
11/3/2010 11:43:18 AM
^^ I am sure they will do what they can to bring us back to the 19th Century
11/3/2010 11:53:41 AM
I hope fiscal responsibility for our State takes place this year. First and foremost.
11/3/2010 12:20:07 PM
Fiscal responsibility is one thing... Short term vision is another.This is the problem as I see it.Imagine we had a perfectly efficient government before this crisis. We had perfect tax levels, and there was no waste. When the economy goes in the crapper, revenues go down. That leaves you with 3 choices. 1) raise taxes to pay for needed services, 2) cut critical services, or 3) a combination of the above.what that means, is that no matter who was in power, we would have been in the exact same boat as we are today. Maybe taxes would be a slight bit lower, but I dont think it would have been huge. So, what I am concerned about, is the GOP majorities ability to see the 'forest through the trees'. For example, lets say they do across the board 15% spending cuts, as opposed to keeping the half a cent sales tax in place. Lets say that 15% goes to universities as well. Not only will that 15% hurt this year, it could have long term negative effects on the quality of education in the state, even after the economy recovers. The higher education system is one of the few things that lures employers here. Its not like you can rebuild a lost reputation overnight when things improve. And given the sad state of our k-12, less money isnt going to make things any better (yes, I know that money doesnt necessarily make things better, but classrooms are most certainly going to get bigger, and that IS proven to produce poor results).And what it means for students, is that the universities are going to raise tuition a lot more, because they are going to be forced to. There is only so much more you can cut out of education before it causes serious harm.Personally, I was fairly happy with the way things were with the state. The balanced budget requirement means we can only get so far out of control, and our state taxes (I believe) are about average compared to the rest of the union. I am worried now that the state will cut off its nose to spite its face.What I would like to see is the half a cent sales tax extended for 2 more years, no other taxes, and cuts of about 1.5 billion.[Edited on November 3, 2010 at 2:28 PM. Reason : .]
11/3/2010 2:19:00 PM
^I am sorry I disagree. This state hasn't been run efficiently for at least 12 years if not longer.I think Democrats in the GA have run this state into the ground with useless projects. You are right that budget shortfalls have hit the state due to the economy. But lets be honest this state has bankrolled awful things (such as the road to nowhere and the Teapot Museum.Unfortunately everybody is going to have to tighten their belts. Nobody wants tax increases so that means budget cuts and its never easy. Add on Obamacare to the budget and I see no way around big tax increases everywhere. Don't you Dems worry the GA will be yours again soon enough, just like Congress because people are going to be pissed when things are cut. Honestly I think this may have been the Democrats and Obama's plan all along, the big picture is 2012.
11/3/2010 2:36:29 PM
the idiot dems have been running this state down for a damn century. hopefully the elephants can turn this shit around.
11/3/2010 2:38:34 PM
First of all, I didnt say the state was efficiently run. The point I was trying to make is that if you value critical services, there comes a point where tax increases are necessary to maintain them. The motto to always 'cut' when there is a shortage is really short sided. Does it make sense, for example, to cut 1 billion from a valued service, when we will need 3 billion to repair the service in a couple of years? And for the record, I am not saying raise taxes to make up a 3 billion hole. We need to cut. However...What I want to see is that state preserve the parts of government that are performing well or that we cant risk getting any worse, and cut areas of government which are aimed at entitlements. And I am not a democrat. Believe it or not, I'm a republican. If we were running deficits like the federal government, you'd hear no complaints from me about 'cut-cut-cut'. That stated, no new taxes, but I'd like the half a cent sales tax extended to contain the damage. I dont want alcohol or cigarette taxes increased, and I sure as hell dont want services to be taxed.[Edited on November 3, 2010 at 2:49 PM. Reason : .]
11/3/2010 2:46:45 PM
11/3/2010 6:54:54 PM
I'll wade into this thread with this collection of posts from various points defending NC as not as shitty as people might think. But the reigns are in the GOP hands now, so none of this really matters now, its up to them now. (for anyone who might wont to argue, lets skip ahead, you win, dems bad, gop good, i concede that point... for now my focus on the wave of social conservatives we just put into office w/ their nearly unanimous opposition to comprehensive sex ed, to not amending the constitution over marriage, & and the list goes on)-------------------I'll start off by admitting that alot of things about government are less than ideal, especially during a weak economy, but I think there are some points to be made in defense of government. I'd also point out the government agencies can have the multiple and opposing stakeholders problem. -------------------the externalities bit was also mean to cover situations like if, say, someone advocates to massive cuts to all gov spending w/o regard to their impact, but maybe having a drug rehab program, and jobs training center on the gov dime ultimately cost gov & thus tax payers less than locking up drug users & paying unemployment, then we shouldn't make the cuts willy nilly just b/c cutting spending is the right-wing thing to do even if it results in more tax payer money being spent in the long run.-------------------2010 Business Climate Rankings:
11/5/2010 5:24:38 AM
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11/5/2010 7:43:07 AM
^ without commenting on all of that, a few points...1) The state has reacted, I think, about as best it can with a difficult to read economy. Figuring out exactly how much money the state will have at the end of the year given our uncertain times, has been an impossible effort. 2) If you honestly think its laughable that the cuts to our already poorly performing K-12 schools will not take a long time to correct, I think you have been missing how slowly the state has been turning around the school system. It was tough enough to do with the teachers we had, and laying even more of them off will most certainly have long term consequences.
11/5/2010 10:07:30 AM
As soon as those douchenozzles start constructing sea walls I am coming to Raleigh and burning down the Capitol.
11/5/2010 10:18:41 AM
About time that the democrat establishment got the boot within the NC legislature. No matter what your affiliations are, having the pendalum swing back and forth is overall good for the electorate. If one party is always running the show than those representatives get content and more prone to corruption.I for one voted straight Republican (except for Jim Leutze) for any of the state partisan seats. On the other hand i voted Mike McIntyre for congress adn the libertarian for senate.
11/5/2010 12:15:38 PM
^^^our state government and budget has been shitty for decades; this latest recession is not the cause of all our problems.#5 is laughable because our state's solution to budget constraints are jacking up taxes and/or firing teachers; in addition to being ranked 11th or 12th for highest education spending in the southeast. that is laughable. that's not a good score.[Edited on November 5, 2010 at 12:30 PM. Reason : ^]
11/5/2010 12:29:44 PM
11/5/2010 12:38:09 PM
11/5/2010 1:01:42 PM
you might want to read all of the words that I wrote
11/5/2010 1:03:14 PM
Actually I did. You said the budget isn't balanced. That is patently false.
11/5/2010 1:11:17 PM
Dollars don't necessarily turn into grades.Also just because they cut teacher jobs, does not mean that there isn't other fat to cut. It means that they are going to cut what will motivate taxpayers to pay more money.IE If I promise to save 200 a month to my wife, and I don't want to do that.I say Okay, but to save 200 a month I can only go on 2 date nights a month instead of 4.Now realistically I could stop buying a case of beer a week, bring lunch to work instead of eating out, and cancel the gym membership that I never use, or the collection collection of garden gnomes that will one day fetch $1000s on ebay.But by saying our date nights are going to go, I do so in the hope that she will relent. Thats really important to her, so she wants me to save money, so I target something she will miss, and cause outcry.[Edited on November 5, 2010 at 4:03 PM. Reason : They could have found the $$ other places...They choose not to.]
11/5/2010 3:59:07 PM
I saw an old budgeting professor yesterday who I haven't seen in about a year, and he was talking about the election results. He's a pretty conservative guy, but he still seemed a little bummed about the results b/c he felt the GOP wont give the university system special consideration when doing the cuts, they'll be as vulnerable as everyone else.
11/5/2010 4:12:24 PM
^even then, sometimes its good to evaluate and make cuts, It forces you to again trim the fat, if you look at it as an opportunity to do so.While the university's do have a very critical and important role, to say that a certain % cut could not be made without impacting the education of the students may not be true. You can cut amenities, activities, social activities. It also forces you to evaluate staff that isn't perhaps cutting it. Sure some teachers are there struggling with 4 classes 1 TA, and 5 grad students.Another Professor has 1 grad student, hasn't published since his PHD, and has zero research money coming into the university. They are currently wanting a semester off to do research on Shakespearian theater for the next year for the book they said would be out next year (for the last 10)Now im not going to say that a 5% cut will not impact education, however, the impact can be minimized if done correctly.The same can be extended to the school systems, save money by busing kids shorter distances, reduce auditors and paperwork positions instead of teaching positions. Cut down on electricity costs by lowering minimum and maximum temperatures. Utilize textbooks for another year (Sorry kids, your going to not learn the great advances in calculus since 2007!)Cut some of the services that are high in cost but service very few individuals.[Edited on November 5, 2010 at 4:30 PM. Reason : dd]
11/5/2010 4:22:43 PM
At least our coaches, when all things are considered (including other coaches salaries), work for cheap......[Edited on November 7, 2010 at 9:06 PM. Reason : w]
11/7/2010 9:05:34 PM
Cutting the education budget (both grade school and post-secondary) is stupid, long-term econmically detrimental, and irresponsible by either democrats trying to balence the budget or by the new GOP majority trying to cut back spending.My favorite analogy is cutting the education budget to save the state money is like cutting your 401k contribution in order to save you some "paycheck" money. Meanwhile your are wasting money on the unlimited text cell phone plan, a new car payment, and going out to eat 7 days a week.
11/8/2010 5:07:34 PM
^ that is exactly how I think of it... Also for once people are not saying "think of the children!!!!!"
11/8/2010 5:43:08 PM
I can't stand how whiny overly protective mothers try to use ' think of the children' as the trump card for any and every argument.
11/8/2010 5:46:23 PM
^^^ That's something every voter, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian and otherwise should call their representatives out on whenever cost cutting comes up. Every time there's talk of cutting the budget, the first thing that comes to the minds of the politicians are "essential" services like education. Bullshit. There isn't a single government so efficiently run that the only place to make cuts is in essential services. And even then, there's no essential service provided by any government that can't trim some fat somewhere.[Edited on November 8, 2010 at 5:47 PM. Reason : klj]
11/8/2010 5:46:36 PM
I don't know how to feel about this in regard to K-12 education.On one hand, I'm hopeful that they might cut out the piles of bullshit and overhead. On the other, they might throw the baby out with the bathwater, if they're anything like the national GOP.
11/8/2010 7:48:26 PM
The question there is whether or not you trust an NC GOP legislature to be able to determine which public school programs and practices actually improve educational quality and which do not.Honestly I don't trust the NC GOP or the NC Dems to make that kind of a decision, but they're who we've got to look to on this one. Hell, I don't know who I'd trust on a federal level to do it either. They've been screwing up the schools for decades now and the downhill momentum seems impossible to reverse.
11/9/2010 11:55:52 AM
You can't just look at education as a big bucket, that you throw money into and always get a return.You made a 401k example above, well thats fine, education is investing in our future, however the 20% of my 401k that was going to real estate in Florida, would have been better sitting in my paycheck.
11/9/2010 12:59:42 PM
The examples that wlfpk4evr put out there is pretty good...I wholeheartedly agree that there is wasteful spending inside essential services. Employee's pay is incentiveized by longevity and education. This is regardless of effectiveness and requisite. If a position does not require a Master's degree, why must the state pay a premium for an employee that pursues a Master strictly for the pay bump?Teachers/Professors/Administrators/Managers/etc. who are under performing make more than their counterparts that perform well, if they have been a teacher/professor/administrator/manager/etc longer. This is counter-intuitive.If I was to go to work with a large corporation directly out of school and outperformed other employees that had been there longer, I would expect to be compensated directly proportional to my performance level, not necessarily my longevity.
11/9/2010 1:18:23 PM
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11/10/2010 12:45:11 PM
http://www.americanindependent.com/156495/nc-berger-says-theres-no-time-for-independent-redistricting-commission
11/21/2010 6:55:34 PM
http://ncfef.org/NCFEF_News/Entries/2010/11/23_Outside_Spending_Impacts_2010_Elections_in_N.C..html"Outside Spending Impacts 2010 Elections in N.C."
11/30/2010 11:07:29 PM
http://www.news-record.com/blog/53964/entry/108384
1/4/2011 6:38:05 PM
My biggest beef with NC government has been judicial corruption. I don't know if a new general assembly will fix that, but it probably won't hurt.
1/5/2011 9:24:36 AM
http://www.southernstudies.org/2011/01/nc-groups-backed-by-top-political-benefactor-push-to-kill-state-campaign-finance-reforms.html"NC groups backed by top political benefactor push to kill state campaign finance program"
1/5/2011 2:48:18 PM
http://www.americanindependent.com/165564/n-c-right-to-life-coming-to-capital-expecting-passage-of-informed-consent-abortion-law
1/15/2011 5:31:36 PM
could be interesting, i bet a bunch of programs get cut to BEV PUUUUURRRDUUUUUEE can claim SHE BALANCED THE BUDGET! again......
1/16/2011 2:44:48 AM
1/16/2011 4:11:18 PM
1/19/2011 7:56:15 PM
might as well embed the video we put up[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 8:00 PM. Reason : +]
1/19/2011 8:00:19 PM
^I first heard about that, since I rarely go to NCSU's homepage, was by way of a department e-mail saying basically "Since so many people are asking me about this, I thought I should address this, and I realize this is causing panic, but don't worry too much, it'll hurt the undergrads a lot more than us"http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2011/01/19/unc-president-further-cuts-may-be-devastating-to-academic-reputation/
1/20/2011 2:44:03 PM
http://www2.acs.ncsu.edu/UPA/enrollmentdata/f10enrol/index.htmHmmm......goodbye College of Design?[Edited on January 20, 2011 at 3:01 PM. Reason : wtf quotes]
1/20/2011 3:01:15 PM
goodbye why?
1/20/2011 6:06:04 PM
^^yeah, goodbye why?
1/20/2011 6:10:30 PM
i'm really glad i finished up before all of these cuts
1/20/2011 6:11:59 PM
^yeah, I'm kind of happy this is my last semester too.http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2011/01/21/republican-legislators-already-dispensing-special-favors-to-friends/#more-20275
1/22/2011 12:04:28 PM