http://www.baywindows.com/index.php?ch=news&sc=glbt&sc2=news&sc3&id=107807
7/8/2010 7:22:16 PM
God damn it, why won't the federal government grant me the freedom to deny homosexuals the right to marry?
7/8/2010 7:42:43 PM
The Constitution wins again!
7/8/2010 8:13:40 PM
Why not?
7/8/2010 8:19:16 PM
i can't wait till i can get gay married to a robotic goat
7/8/2010 8:22:12 PM
a robo-goat isn't a person, it's chattel
7/8/2010 8:23:04 PM
What *really* needs to happen is no government sanctioned marriage (no tax or other benefits) at all. Then you can get married to a cactus for all I care.
7/8/2010 8:23:41 PM
THAT MEANS YOU HATE FAMILIES ISN'T IT TEH GUBMINT'S JOB TO PROMOTE FAMILIES
7/8/2010 8:25:05 PM
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7/8/2010 8:39:54 PM
7/8/2010 8:41:45 PM
It's about time the courts started remembering the 10th. To bad they didn't use it to strike down all federal marriage laws.
7/8/2010 10:27:14 PM
I think people with kids should be taxed more.
7/8/2010 10:31:08 PM
^^this^interesting.... I tend to agree, despite my general opposition to taxes.
7/9/2010 7:43:22 AM
wow. the Supreme Court knows what the 10th Amendment is? when the fuck did they figure that out?
7/9/2010 10:44:16 PM
Wasn't the supreme court.It was some activist district court judge.
7/9/2010 11:13:47 PM
This is not an activist judge, this is a judge correctly deciding the outcome of a civil case with strong constitutional backing.
7/9/2010 11:24:08 PM
The judicial branch is the most misunderstood branch of the government.
7/10/2010 2:24:32 AM
7/10/2010 8:56:08 AM
Sarcasm, folks. I'm all for gay rights. But the anti-gay rights groups are already using the terminology.
7/10/2010 10:18:15 AM
7/10/2010 10:30:46 AM
Someone in another thread made the argument that the 10th amendment was all but repealed due to precedent.
7/10/2010 11:30:43 AM
Well, it's not "all but repealed" but it is almost totally ignored. Most federal laws are over reaching in their scope and most federal departments, bureaus, etc. have no constitutional right to do the things they do. Unfortunately the courts have warped things like the commerce clause into allowing the federal government to do just about anything they want, enumerated powers be damned.
7/10/2010 11:57:28 AM
^^^haha, fuckin' elipses! But no, I'm not. Not that there's anything wrong with that!!
7/10/2010 12:47:34 PM
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7/10/2010 5:06:51 PM
Anyone with sense knows that's what needs to happen. I don't hear a single politician talking about it. Wouldn't want to lose the "married vote," after all.
7/10/2010 6:45:03 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38251758/ns/world_news-americas/
7/15/2010 8:57:07 AM
I don't understand what is being said with regards to the 10th amendment?
7/15/2010 12:09:46 PM
I think I heard something about them complaining about town halls having to keep 2 sets of books, and that it'd be cheaper/easier to only keep one. Found a few related quotes:
7/15/2010 12:33:43 PM
7/15/2010 1:16:11 PM
^Well it wasn't just states rights that this ruling was based on, it was also about violating the equal protection clause. If the gov wants to get out of the business of marrying couples, then fine, but until they do they are going to be hard pressed to justify stuff like allowing the wife of male veteran to be buried with him, but not allowing the wife of a female veteran to do the same.
7/15/2010 1:29:41 PM
why?there is no requirement that the vet be buried there.Maybe the States need to step up and maintain cemetaries for their vets. Then they can grant whoever they please to be buried there.I don't see how "equal protection" falls under the scope of benefits that are used to encourage states, business, citizens, etc. to act a certain way. By design a benefit is preferential treatment for something - so it is inheriently bias towards something. Short of removing benefits or the govenment ability to influence all together I'm not sure how far you can take this arguement.But now we are getting into entitlements - people have come to feel that certain things are owed to them just because they were born. This leads to the misconception that they are being discriminated against. Denial of preferential treatment is not the same a denial of a right.
7/15/2010 2:39:14 PM
So what are you thoughts on cases like Loving v. Virginia and Perez v. Sharp where decisions were based on things like marriage being one of the "basic civil rights of man" and both relied on marriage bans being unconstitutional in terms of violating the 14th amendment?
7/15/2010 2:51:29 PM
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7/15/2010 3:39:52 PM
^that is exactly rightwhich takes me to the 2nd part of that statement...
7/15/2010 3:45:55 PM
7/15/2010 9:38:17 PM
http://www.equalrightsfoundation.org/news/federal-court-to-release-its-decision-tomorrow/
8/3/2010 11:23:43 PM
http://www.scribd.com/doc/35374801/Prop-8-Ruling
8/4/2010 4:54:20 PM
A win for civil libertarians, and a step towards a smaller government.
8/4/2010 5:48:16 PM
Fabulous!
8/4/2010 5:56:23 PM
Between the 2 MA cases & CA things are looking good for when this winds its way up to SCOTUS in 3 or so years:http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/08/04/expect-a-win-for-plaintiffs-and-gay-marriage-in-perry-prop8-case/
8/4/2010 8:23:49 PM
you'd be surprised to find out the supreme court can pretty much do whatever the fuck it wants... Just ask Earl Warren
8/4/2010 8:31:33 PM
so a gay judge rules against Prop 8 SHOCKINGNot that its a bad thing, but since Ahnold and Jerry Brown both basically backed off this case they must have known it was going to fail. Honestly I don't care if Homosexuals want to get married. Its no sweat off my back, the institution of marriage between a man and woman has been a sham for years anyways look at the divorce rates.
8/4/2010 9:33:34 PM
^^or John Robertsanyway I'm surprised that not even the agents of intolerance thought anything unusual about the judge's open homosexuality with respect to this case[Edited on August 4, 2010 at 9:36 PM. Reason : "conservative" and "activist" are neither mutually exclusive nor inclusive
8/4/2010 9:35:36 PM
8/4/2010 9:42:52 PM
To add a local angle to all this, the National Organization for Marriage (an organization that is opposed to this ruling) is busing around the country this summer to protest equality in state capitals. They'll be busing into North Carolina in just under a week. Fortunately the whole we don't have enough official religious stances in government argument isn't holding as much water as it used to.Here is a sign from one of their events:A few vids from one of their earlier stops:http://ideationplantation.blogspot.com/2010/07/standing-by-love.html
8/4/2010 10:45:41 PM
The story on this "liberal activist" judge is interesting. From CATO:
8/4/2010 10:55:24 PM