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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/18/us/politics/18offenders.html

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"In a broad endorsement of federal power, the Supreme Court on Monday ruled that Congress has the authority under the Constitution to allow the continued civil commitment of sex offenders after they have completed their criminal sentences. "


full opinion: http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-1224.pdf

Choice Quotes (emphasis mine):

Quote :
" It makes clear
that grants of specific federal legislative authority are accompanied
by broad power to enact laws that are “convenient, or useful” or “con
ducive” to the enumerated power’s “beneficial exercise,” e.g.,
McCulloch v. Maryland, 4 Wheat. 316, 413, 418,

...

although the Constitution nowhere grants
Congress express power
to create federal crimes beyond those specifi
cally enumerated, to punish their violation, to imprison violators, to
provide appropriately for those imprisoned, or to maintain the secu
rity of those who are not imprisoned but who may be affected by the
federal imprisonment of others, Congress possesses broad authority
to do each of those things under the Clause.
Pp. 5–9.

...

If the Government proves its claims by “clear and con
vincing evidence,”
the court will order the prisoner’s con
tinued commitment in “the custody of the Attorney Gen
eral,” who must “make all reasonable efforts to cause” the
State where that person was tried, or the State where he
is domiciled, to “assume responsibility for his custody,
care, and treatment.”

...

The Government sought certiorari, and we granted its
request, limited to the question of Congress’ authority
under Art. I, §8 of the Constitution. Pet. for Cert. i.
[note: basically although they can still fight the actual confinement, these guys do have to start all over again

...

To be sure, as we have previously acknowledged,
“The Federal Government undertakes activities today
that would have been unimaginable to the Framers in
two senses; first, because the Framers would not have
conceived that any government would conduct such
activities; and second, because the Framers would not
have believed that the Federal Government, rather
than the States, would assume such responsibilities.
Yet the powers conferred upon the Federal Govern
ment by the Constitution were phrased in language
broad enough to allow for the expansion of the Federal
Government’s role.” New York, 505 U. S., at 157.


...

The Court’s discussion of the Tenth
Amendment invites the inference that restrictions flowing
from the federal system are of no import when defining
the limits of the National Government’s power, as it pro
ceeds by first asking whether the power is within the
National Government’s reach, and if so it discards federal
ism concerns entirely.
These remarks explain why the Court ignores important
limitations stemming from federalism principles. Those
principles are essential to an understanding of the func
tion and province of the States in our constitutional
structure.
[note: even in the concurring opinions, they acknowledge a failure to address reasonable concerns]

...

JUSTICE ALITO, concurring in the judgment.
I am concerned about the breadth of the Court’s lan
guage, see ante, at 2–4 (KENNEDY, J., concurring in judg
ment), and the ambiguity of the standard that the Court
applies, see post, at 9 (THOMAS, J., dissenting), but I am
persuaded, on narrow grounds, that it was “necessary and
proper” for Congress to enact the statute at issue in this
case, 18 U. S. C. §4248, in order to “carr[y] into Execution”
powers specifically conferred on Congress by the Constitu
tion, see Art. I, §8, cl. 18.

...

The only additional question presented here is whether,
in order to carry into execution the enumerated powers on
which the federal criminal laws rest, it is also necessary
and proper for Congress to protect the public from dangers
created by the federal criminal justice and prison systems.
In my view, the answer to that question is “yes.” Just as it
is necessary and proper for Congress to provide for the
apprehension of escaped federal prisoners, it is necessary
and proper for Congress to provide for the civil commit
ment of dangerous federal prisoners who would otherwise
escape civil commitment as a result of federal imprison
ment.
[note: probably the most reasonable thing I've read so far, even if I disagree with it]

...

Now for some dissent

The Necessary and Proper
Clause empowers Congress to enact only those laws that
“carr[y] into Execution” one or more of the federal powers
enumerated in the Constitution. Art. I, §8, cl. 18. Because
§4248 “Execut[es]” no enumerated power, I must respect
fully dissent.

...

First, the law must be directed toward a
“legitimate” end, which McCulloch defines as one “within
the scope of the [C]onstitution”—that is, the powers ex
pressly delegated to the Federal Government by some
provision in the Constitution. Second, there must be a
necessary and proper fit between the “means” (the federal
law) and the “end” (the enumerated power or powers) it is
designed to serve. Ibid. McCulloch accords Congress a
certain amount of discretion in assessing means-end fit
under this second inquiry. The means Congress selects
will be deemed “necessary” if they are “appropriate” and
“plainly adapted” to the exercise of an enumerated power,
and “proper” if they are not otherwise “prohibited” by the
Constitution and not “[in]consistent” with its “letter and
spirit.” Ibid.


...

Unless the end itself is “legitimate,” the fit be
tween means and end is irrelevant. In other words, no
matter how “necessary” or “proper” an Act of Congress
may be to its objective, Congress lacks authority to legis
late if the objective is anything other than “carrying into
Execution” one or more of the Federal Government’s enu
merated powers. Art. I, §8, cl. 18.


..."


[Edited on May 17, 2010 at 9:35 PM. Reason : more]

5/17/2010 9:35:04 PM

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...


Statements by delegates to the state ratification
conventions indicate that this understanding was widely
held by the founding generation. E.g., id., at 245–246
(statement of George Nicholas) (“Suppose [the Necessary
and Proper Clause] had been inserted, at the end of every
power, that they should have power to make laws to carry
that power into execution; would that have increased their
powers? If, therefore, it could not have increased their
powers, if placed at the end of each power, it cannot in
crease them at the end of all”
).2

...

Indeed, not even the Commerce
Clause—the enumerated power this Court has interpreted
most expansively, see, e.g., NLRB v. Jones & Laughlin
Steel Corp., 301 U. S. 1, 37 (1937)—can justify federal civil
detention of sex offenders. Under the Court’s precedents,
Congress may not regulate noneconomic activity (such as
sexual violence) based solely on the effect such activity
may have, in individual cases or in the aggregate, on
interstate commerce.

...

Indeed, it is
clear, on the face of the Act and in the Government’s
arguments urging its constitutionality, that §4248 is
aimed at protecting society from acts of sexual violence,
not toward “carrying into Execution” any enumerated
power or powers of the Federal Government.

...

But the Constitution
does not vest in Congress the authority to protect society
from every bad act that might befall it.6

...

At a minimum, this
shift from the two-step McCulloch framework to this five
consideration approach warrants an explanation as to why
McCulloch is no longer good enough and which of the five
considerations will bear the most weight in future cases,
assuming some number less than five suffices. (Or, if not,
why all five are required.) The Court provides no answers
to these questions.

...

But in citing these
cases, the Court puts the cart before the horse: The fit
between means and ends matters only if the end is in fact
legitimate—i.e., only if it is one of the Federal Govern
ment’s enumerated powers.
By starting its inquiry with the degree of deference
owed to Congress in selecting means to further a legiti
mate end, the Court bypasses McCulloch’s first step and
fails carefully to examine whether the end served by §4248
is actually one of those powers. See Part III–A–2, infra.


...

the Court surveys other laws Con
gress has enacted and concludes that, because §4248 is
related to those laws, the “links” between §4248 and an
enumerated power are not “too attenuated”; hence, §4248
is a valid exercise of Congress’ Necessary and Proper
Clause authority. Ante, at 18. This unnecessarily con
fuses the analysis and, if followed to its logical extreme,
would result in an unwarranted expansion of federal
power.

...

But that is not the question. The Necessary and
Proper Clause does not provide Congress with authority to
enact any law simply because it furthers other laws Con
gress has enacted in the exercise of its incidental author
ity; the Clause plainly requires a showing that every
federal statute “carr[ies] into Execution” one or more of
the Federal Government’s enumerated powers.8

...

First, the statute’s definition of a “sexually dangerous
person” contains no element relating to the subject’s
crime. See §§4247(a)(5)–(6). It thus does not require a
federal court to find any connection between the reasons
supporting civil commitment and the enumerated power
with which that person’s criminal conduct interfered. As a
consequence, §4248 allows a court to civilly commit an
individual without finding that he was ever charged with
or convicted of a federal crime involving sexual violence.
§§4248(a), (d). That possibility is not merely hypothetical:
The Government concedes that nearly 20% of individuals
against whom §4248 proceedings have been brought fit
this description.9 Tr. of Oral Arg. 23–25.

...

The statute therefore authorizes federal custody over a
person at a time when the Government would lack juris
diction to detain him for violating a criminal law that
executes an enumerated power.

...

Restatement (Second) of Torts
§319, p. 129 (1963–1964), that duty terminates once the
legal basis for custody expires:
“There is no duty so to control the conduct of a third
person as to prevent him from causing physical harm
to another unless
“(a) a special relation exists between the actor and
the third person which imposes a duty upon the actor
to control the third person’s conduct, or
“(b) a special relation exists between the actor and
the other which gives to the other a right to protec
tion.” Id., §315, at 122.
Once the Federal Government’s criminal jurisdiction over
a prisoner ends, so does any “special relation[ship]” be
tween the Government and the former prisoner.12


...

The historical record thus supports the Federal Gov
ernment’s authority to detain a mentally ill person against
whom it has the authority to enforce a criminal law. But
it provides no justification whatsoever for reading the
Necessary and Proper Clause to grant Congress the power
to authorize the detention of persons without a basis for
federal criminal jurisdiction.

...

This right of first
refusal is mere window dressing. Tr. of Oral Arg. 5 (“It is
not the usual course that the State does take responsibil
ity”). More importantly, it is an altogether hollow assur
ance that §4248 preserves the principle of dual sover
eignty—the “letter and spirit” of the Constitution—as the
Necessary and Proper Clause requires.16

...

Nevertheless, 29 States appear as amici and argue that
§4248 is constitutional. They tell us that they do not
object to Congress retaining custody of “sexually danger
ous persons” after their criminal sentences expire because
the cost of detaining such persons is “expensive”—
approximately $64,000 per year—and these States would
rather the Federal Government bear this expense.

...

Congress’ power, however, is fixed by the Constitution;
it does not expand merely to suit the States’ policy prefer
ences, or to allow State officials to avoid difficult choices
regarding the allocation of state funds.

"


Needless to say, I think 7 of our supreme court justices need to go back and reread the constitution a few times. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if a person has committed a crime that you feel makes them a danger, even after they are released, then lock them up for life the first time. We need to stop imposing penalties and punishments after the fact.

5/17/2010 9:35:39 PM

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welcome to humanity

i do think though that the legal system in its current form can't properly handle sex offenders. The hypocrisy is sex offense laws is merely a symptom of this perhaps, and not themselves a problem. They are more of a stop-gap solution until someone figures out what the real issue is. I have never read or heard about a logically consistent solution to handling sex offenders.

I have heard though that sex offense recidivism is not much higher in actuality than other crimes, and it's more the moral outrage of sex offender crimes that causes people to treat them so differently.

5/17/2010 9:38:43 PM

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When the revolution comes, its leaders will be framed as sex offenders.

5/17/2010 9:40:52 PM

jwb9984
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activist judges

5/17/2010 9:55:05 PM

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can't wait to read back through this thread and see who the closet sex offenders are, based on their posts

5/17/2010 10:14:36 PM

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i thought the supreme court was finish off this ruling by saying....





yo homes to bel air!

5/17/2010 10:24:15 PM

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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126894305&ft=1&f=1001

Supreme Court rejects life without parole for juveniles in non-homicide cases

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"Terrence Graham was 16 when he took part in a robbery during which an accomplice hit a restaurant manager with a pipe. After serving a year in jail, Graham was released on probation. Six months later, he was arrested while fleeing from police in connection with another armed robbery. The judge, finding that Graham had violated parole by running from the police, this time sentenced him to the maximum permissible for the original crime — life in prison without parole.

Juveniles Are Less Culpable

The Supreme Court declared that imposing such a penalty on a juvenile offender who has not killed anyone is so harsh and disproportionate in the context of the rest of the criminal justice system, that it violates the Constitution's ban on cruel and unusual punishment. "


Not a failure IMO

5/18/2010 12:29:11 AM

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JUSTICE SERVED!

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"Gov. Bev Perdue on Friday pardoned a man who was exonerated of a woman's murder in a groundbreaking innocence hearing in February.

A special three-judge panel found Greg Taylor innocent of the murder of Jacquetta Thomas, whose beaten body was found at the end of a Raleigh cul-de-sac in 1991. Taylor was arrested when he went to retrieve his Nissan Pathfinder from some nearby woods, where it was stuck.

He served more than 16 years in prison before the panel vacated his sentence.

[...]

Taylor was already celebrating something special on Friday. It was his daughter's birthday.

"The last time I was free on my daughter's birthday, she turned 9 years old," he said."


http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/7647384/
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/7063377/

5/22/2010 8:12:05 AM

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Well, it's good that we actually are freeing him, it's appalling that it took this long, that he will probably receive very limited remuneration for his time spent in prison, and there is nothing that can be done to help him recapture the time lost.

5/22/2010 12:08:44 PM

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He could potentially get $750k, which works out to about $47k/yr before taxes.

I wonder how much they tax a lump sum payment of that size?

5/22/2010 12:19:53 PM

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It's tax free actually. And he was released not due to "justice", but because it was politically beneficial.

5/22/2010 1:29:44 PM

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