sounds like they're just about flat giving stuff away. Below invoice pricing, 0% financing, etc. I haven't dug into the details, and at this point am not seriously considering it, but might this be a too good to pass up time to buy a C6 Z51?

7/25/2009 12:17:51 AM

might want to check the details. i don't know about now, but usually those incentives don't apply to things like the corvette.

7/25/2009 12:51:33 AM

I'm pretty sure these apply to everything (except maybe the brands they're ditching, like Saab and Saturn).

7/25/2009 1:08:35 AM

Do it.

Even if you get deployed, you can possibly make money on it later

7/25/2009 2:33:28 AM

i wouldn't count on making money on anything, you aren't the only one getting these deals

7/25/2009 7:35:07 AM

Is it less than the ~42k that it was 8 months ago?

7/25/2009 9:49:07 AM

I think probably about that price, plus I could probably get a couple thousand gas guzzler trade in money for trading in my Ram.

7/25/2009 10:24:57 AM

^do you get gubment money for trading one gas guzzler in on another?

i'm in the middle of buying a house right now, but am really considering a pickup once the dust settles one the house. I like the GM trucks, but am trying to decide whether to go with cash on something used or take advantage of the crazy pricing on a new vehicle.

[Edited on July 25, 2009 at 11:21 AM. Reason : .]

7/25/2009 11:19:59 AM

dude, vettes get great gas mileage

7/25/2009 11:30:34 AM

yeah they really do. i got almost 30mpg to maryland once... 6th gear ftw

and are sure the deals apply to corvettes? everyone i've ever seen has some fine print about not applying to them.

[Edited on July 25, 2009 at 11:46 AM. Reason : asdf]

7/25/2009 11:45:55 AM

It seems like used C6's are getting very reasonable now and I've heard that new ones are going for pretty good prices too. You might be able to find a new one from last year that somehow didn't sell, like I did with my SV650S, lol. God I'd like to have an '08 C6..

I need an LS2 or LS3 powered beast son.

7/25/2009 12:37:01 PM

http://www.chevrolet.com/tools/currentoffers/results.do?region=30&zipCode=27606&county=37063

7/25/2009 1:41:41 PM

^^^ nope, it applies to vettes too, this time. pretty sure it even applies to Z06s...don't know about ZR1s (not that either of us are likely in the market for one of those, anyway).

7/25/2009 10:11:27 PM

so any of you who follow 'Vette forums, etc see any numbers on what people are paying for C6 Z51s with this new deal?

I think it was only through the end of July, but I bet they'll run another deal. I'm still just casually kicking the idea around, but I could take advantage of ridiculous GM sales AND trade in my V10 Ram for a $4500 tax credit due to the awful fuel economy it gets compared to the miserly 'Vette (or pretty much anything more economical than a Peterbilt). I might take a $1000+ beating on the trade in compared to what I could sell it for, but it would certainly be a substantial net gain.

8/1/2009 12:23:01 AM

I thought the cash for clunkers fund was already tapped out?

8/1/2009 10:22:51 AM

It got a $2 billion infusion to keep it going.

8/1/2009 12:16:46 PM

I thought the 2 billions is only for the cars that were already submitted for the rebate.

8/1/2009 2:38:56 PM

too bad the Evo X is so gay. It's enough cheaper than the 'Vette--particularly with $2500 worth of factory rebates from Mitsu right now--that I could probably be tempted if they could magically sell me a new IX (for the $32k or whatever a IX was priced at new). $35k for the soft, heavy, neutered, ugly Evo X doesn't do much for me.

A 135i would be OK, but again, I sit and think "Will I really enjoy this car enough to justify it over a used S2000 or other sports car for 1/4 of the price?" BMW doesn't appear to be cutting any spectacular deals. I mean, they're BMW--they don't have to bribe people to buy their stuff.

The 335i is more car for the money, in my opinion, and better looking to boot, but if I spend that much, I think it would have to be on a C6 Z51.

The 'Vette rules, but man, that's a lot of money. Maybe if I could get one OTD for high-30s, then get a couple grand for my Ram in trade, then get the $4500 money from the Feds. Yeah, I'd probably go for it then.

There just isn't much out there right now in terms of new cars that excite me (at least at prices that I can afford and am willing to pay).

8/2/2009 11:23:46 PM

Quote :

"then get a couple grand for my Ram in trade, then get the $4500 money from the Feds"

i'm not following you. i thought you were talking about trading in the ram for 4500 on the CARS thing. you can't do both.

8/3/2009 12:35:05 AM

335s will are now in 400whp range with software/exhaust/intake combo. you would be making more power and more torque than C6.

8/3/2009 12:51:49 AM

^^ i thought you got whatever the dealership gave you for trade-in value, then the $4500 from the Feds?

8/3/2009 9:24:16 AM

no, you only get the 4500 and they take your "clunker" and seize the engine up by running it with a crankcase full of that liquid glass head gasket sealer stuff and crush it

the dealer is supposed to give you the estimated "scrap metal value" of you car in addition to the 4500 and they're allowed to take $50 off the top of that, so most of them are saying the value is $51 and they give you a dollar for the scrap value

8/3/2009 9:34:37 AM

oh, that makes it a pretty unattractive deal unless you have an absolute beater that's only worth a few hundred bucks. My truck prob wouldn't bring $4500, but it would sell for enough that it would be much more prudent to sell it privately and just buy a slightly used car.

[Edited on August 3, 2009 at 8:04 PM. Reason : ]

8/3/2009 8:04:10 PM

the king jew has spoken

8/3/2009 8:04:40 PM

haha, shalom!

8/3/2009 8:04:56 PM

Quote :

"My truck prob wouldn't bring $4500, but it would sell for enough that it would be much more prudent to sell it privately and just buy a slightly used car."

i only wish the rest of the citizens of the U.S. were smart enough to see this like you

8/3/2009 8:08:55 PM

I wish they were smart enough to vote in elected officials who wouldn't pass laws like this to begin with

I was just going to take advantage of it if it had been a legitimately good deal, regardless of whether I thought it was good policy.

8/3/2009 8:19:27 PM

i bought my gmc cheaper than i could find a used one

8/5/2009 11:58:26 AM

cool anecdote

8/5/2009 12:00:04 PM

gay mans chevy

8/5/2009 1:20:56 PM

I'm mixed on the topic, revitalizing auto sales is an important part of economic recovery. Packages like this have been passed, and found to be very helpful in many countries prior to this, and new cars sales is the only type that'll help. Also, unlike the Bush tax credit of mammoth SUVs (many of which were used for personal affairs and did not require a giant SUV), the current program significantly improves the mpg of cars through the trade. Remember the trade in has to have been registered to the same owner for the last year, -and be driven to the dealership, so you shouldn't have cars being traded in that were just rotting away unused.

On the other hand, I'm sure not everybody trading in a car that qualifies under this rebate is paying cash up front, and many will be going into debt. Not so good in the long run... And privately selling +buying slightly used is more prudent for most individuals in my opinion, which is what the girlfriend and I are doing.

[Edited on August 5, 2009 at 1:40 PM. Reason : clarification]

8/5/2009 1:36:08 PM

i'll bet that almost none of them are paying cash. there aren't a whole lot of people who'll be trading in a $1000 beater for a new $20k, $30k, $40k+ car and paying cash to do it. The only real excpetions I can think of are people with money who want to buy a new car and just happened to have that old beater sitting around as a 3rd or 4th car, old people who buy a new car once every 20+ years and happen to be due, and people like me who, for various reasons, live grossly below their means but might entertain the idea of a splurge purchase if the terms are right or if situations change. Most people aren't driving a $1000 beater that would be good for a trade-in on this program if they're sitting on tens of thousands in cash that they have no other use for than to buy a brand-new car.

At least interest rates are pretty low, for the most part.

[Edited on August 5, 2009 at 1:46 PM. Reason : ]

8/5/2009 1:41:32 PM

its a tarp

8/7/2009 9:38:29 AM

seems like a good enough place to post this

Quote :

"GM to shut down Saturn after Penske walks away By Kimberly S. Johnson - Associated Press Writer Wednesday, Sep. 30, 2009 DETROIT -- General Motors Co. said Wednesday it would shut down its Saturn brand after an agreement with Penske Automotive Group Inc. to acquire it fell apart. Penske, citing concerns of whether it could continue to supply vehicles after a manufacturing contract with GM ran out, ended talks with GM Wednesday to acquire the brand. GM CEO Fritz Henderson said in statement that Saturn and its dealership network will be phased out. "This is very disappointing news and comes after months of hard work by hundreds of dedicated employees and Saturn retailers who tried to make the new Saturn a reality," Henderson said in a written statement. "PAG's announcement explained that their decision was not based on interactions with GM or Saturn retailers." In a statement, the Bloomfield Hills, Mich.-based auto retailer says an agreement with another manufacturer to continue producing Saturn vehicles after GM stopped making them fell through, leading Penske to terminate talks with GM. Penske said it negotiated terms and conditions to make Saturn cars with another manufacturer, but that company's board of directors rejected the agreement. Penske spokesman Anthony Pordon would not identify the other manufacturer. "Without that agreement, the company has determined that the risks and uncertainties related to the availability of future products prohibit the company from moving forward with this transaction," the company said in a statement. In June, GM and Penske agreed to take over the Saturn brand and related dealerships, although GM would produce the vehicles for a limited period of time. GM said Saturn vehicle owners can still go to their Saturn dealer for service and would be able to go to a certified GM dealer for service once Saturn dealerships are closed. It was expected that GM would announce the completion of Saturn's sale to Penske in the coming days. Share of Penske fell $1.93 to $17.25 in after hours trading. They rose $1.32, or 7.4 percent to $19.18 in regular trading Wednesday."

9/30/2009 7:10:09 PM

time to grab a saturn sky redline and stick it in storage?

9/30/2009 8:39:04 PM

they had one of those at barrett jackson this year. i think it went for like 10500

9/30/2009 11:38:50 PM

^^lol

10/1/2009 9:09:32 AM

i don't get it...based on the number of saturns i saw on the road and the low cost-of-ownership values associated with saturns, it seems that there would be a lot of other things to dump before saturn

i could be wrong, though...i have no evidence that saturn sales were strong or that they're good cars, just personal experience and the opinions of others...my 2002 SL1 is definitely aesthetically cheap, but the engine always seemed solid (knock on wood, since i'm at 140k)

10/1/2009 9:38:13 AM

I agree. I don't think it makes sense for this company/brand to be dissolved. It's hard to believe there isn't a corporation out there that would want to take over and evolve a decent brand like this

10/1/2009 9:45:29 AM

from everything I've read, after 94 or so they changed management and started just giving Saturn a bunch of corporate rebadged crap and that began the long slide into oblivion

10/1/2009 9:51:07 AM

I thought that when they started rebadging European GM models they were on the right track. They finally started making some decent looking cars. Oh well.

10/1/2009 10:01:59 AM

^ from what i've experienced, that's not true at all

again, i'm not pretending like these are facts, just my overall understanding from the impression i've gotten from other saturn owners

i haven't met a single saturn owner that doesn't love their car as a CAR...it's hardly a status symbol and i think very few people get a saturn without knowing that it's plastic and more cheaply made (aesthetically) than many other brands

GM puts out some real crap, but i truly don't believe saturn belongs in that category for what it is

*shrug*

10/1/2009 10:02:05 AM

^^Since they rolled out the Aura, Saturn started getting some real praise from automotive publications.

10/1/2009 10:26:58 AM

^^ ah, i need to edit my carats

10/1/2009 10:58:41 AM

i helped by buying my new truck

10/19/2009 3:03:34 PM

Quote :

"the current program significantly improves the mpg of cars through the trade."

i thought that the new car only had to have a difference of 3mpg with the old car. is that really significant?

10/19/2009 3:37:06 PM

^i think 4 was the minimum (if you turned in 18 mpg and bought 22 mpg), and that only got you the $3500. for $4500 it had to be 10 mpg difference.

i might be wrong, that's what i understood it to be though.

10/19/2009 4:38:59 PM

you are wrong, and it doesnt matter now anyway

10/21/2009 10:00:30 AM