Yeah, I know, another "I'm buying a car" thread. But its that time of the year when everyone is graduating and getting ready to make bank . I have a pretty zany list of possible car choices and would love opinions and experiences from people to help me decide. The cars vehicles I'm considering are...

'03-07 BMW 3 series sedan (yeah, I realize this spans 2 diff generations)
E46('01-06?) M3
BMW Z4
Ford Fusion
Jeep Wrangler (would possibly get an older one, like pre 2000)
Cadillac CTS
Pontiac Solstice
Lexus IS
C5 corvette (or maybe even an '05 c6?)

As you can probably tell, I'm kind of split between fun, power, practicality, and pretentiousness. I'm also open to suggestions for completely different cars, but anything I look at needs to be readily available w/ a manual transmission and in the 15-30k range. So, give me your opinions (and obligatory flaming).

5/9/2009 8:04:05 PM

Turbobusa

5/9/2009 8:06:26 PM

don't be an idiot and blow a ton of $$ on a car just because you made it through college.

5/9/2009 9:28:59 PM

STEEDA edition for fusion.

shits fucking awesome

5/9/2009 9:32:45 PM

Quote :

"But its that time of the year when everyone is graduating and getting ready to make bank"

u think you will make bank. just wait.

5/9/2009 10:10:25 PM

just get a wrx and be done with it

5/9/2009 10:23:57 PM

You should totally get a cheaper vehicle, like an earlier c5... HEY! I know just the one for sale. Under $13k!

5/9/2009 10:36:01 PM

so you paid like $11.5k for a vette and want to get rid of it?

5/9/2009 10:53:43 PM

coupe -> e46 m3
sports car -> 05 C6
luxury sedan -> e90 bmw
roadster -> s2000


There is your list. Good luck.

5/10/2009 8:40:46 AM

I love how a Wrangler and a Fusion are thrown in there.

Obviously you have no idea what you want my son.

BYE SON.

5/10/2009 9:19:25 AM

I'd go with a scooter personally. Really though, why are you going to drop so much money on a car right now. 2 things

1) the economy isn't doing so hot, so you have a secure job that won't let you go?
2) can't some debts be paid off with some of that money?

just get somethin 5-6k that will last a few years and then when you have a chunk of change to throw down on a vehicle, then purchase. Your monthly payments won't bite you in the ass then.

5/10/2009 9:32:24 AM

He could pay off any car on his list in under a year with any entry level engineering job.

I am not saying its the most sound investment.

It's not like he is trying to buy something 35k+ brand new.

5/10/2009 10:33:28 AM

It's incredible how cheap these cars are already. ~40% drop in the resale of most cars that are already 4+ years old w/in one year... I don't think it's such a bad time to be buying a car, though I wouldn't go new straight out of college.

5/10/2009 1:09:54 PM

true, I can see why its not such a bad idea.

5/10/2009 5:05:30 PM

Save up a good chunk of money to front a down payment on a car. Maybe consider the purchase list more around Christmas once you've gotten settled in your new work/life schedule and can best decide what sort of vehicle you need.

For instance, if you commute 30 minutes to work each day on the highway, you will want to kick yourself in the nuts for driving a jeep wrangler. Loud as hell (road noise), bad gas mileage, and you won't be using it for its designed purpose.

Now if you've got a reasonably short commute and have some awesome rock trails near work, along with some coworkers who like to go out on said trails periodically, then maybe a wrangler would make more sense.

You're so far all over the place you should really spend a lot more time thinking about it. I'm thinking I will get a ford fusion myself (or maybe a ford taurus (new style) if I wait a couple years to buy a vehicle). I'm looking for something practical that can get decent gas mileage and have a decent interior with leather seats, because I know I don't need the jeep I drive now any more (though it's paid for so why get rid of it immediately).

Don't buy something that won't serve your needs, cause you're just gonna end up selling it or buying another car once you realize that your needs have changed.

[Edited on May 10, 2009 at 7:16 PM. Reason : Also, though you can afford the payment, don't forget about the insurance & maintenance.]

5/10/2009 7:05:56 PM

...what about honda/toyota/long-term reliable brands. It appears that you chose most of these vehicles based on looks and slapped a 'practicality' label on there.

You can get a new Honda (4 door, don't care what model) for under 26k with excellent options and gas mileage.

In 10 years, you may have to buy a new car, but at least this will get you through the potential:

Gas price spikes
Moving between places
Car seat due to un/expected additions to the family
Having to pay car insurance (Hondas are substantially cheaper to insure than corvette C5s)
Maintenance required to maintain
Itch to mod (yes, there are turbo packages for the new ones available)
Having to downsize model (they tend to hold their value well with some models only 1k cheaper than the current year, despite significant mileage and use)

If you're paying for this vehicle, save your money and go with something that's actually reliable, has great gas mileage, and can handle the long-term mileage. Sure it's not the 'coolest' looking thing on the road, but in 5 years with the money you saved by not putting it into a fancier car, you can potentially put a large down payment on a house or second non-daily driver.

You said you're 'getting ready to make bank' so why not have something to secure an emergency fund, that will save you when/if there's a job loss or you have to make significant lifestyle changes.

5/11/2009 9:17:59 AM

^Good post but I'd go one step further:

Keep drivin' what you're drivin' until you can't stand it anymore or until it breaks. A nice car is not important in the grand scheme of things. Now if your current vehicle is not reliable enough to get you to work every morning that may not apply, but otherwise, wait it out a bit. See if you still have your job at the end of the year and if you're enjoying it. Take the money you'd be using for car payments and bank it, and you now have an emergency fund. Or if you already had one of those, you now have a nice fat down payment.

5/11/2009 10:04:18 AM

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"don't be an idiot and blow a ton of $$ on a car just because you made it through college."

5/11/2009 10:40:35 AM

^^^
what i see is "you want to be practical, buy a new honda"

there is NOTHING practical about buying a new car.. if that were the only criteria, a mid-90s honda or toyota would probably be the best bet (although i would personally get a 91-92 vw jetta/golf for practicality, but i'm not recommending that to anyone)

if it still runs, keep what you got and wait a year or two... unemployment is very very high right now, so you would probably be lucky to find a job fresh out of college because there are others with experience, who just got laid off, fighting for that same position.

[Edited on May 11, 2009 at 11:23 AM. Reason : ...]

5/11/2009 11:22:13 AM

Haha, I didn't expect so many "save your money you idiot posts". The money isn't really an issue. I've had a job lined up since December and its highly unlikely they're going to yank it. And I have to get a car. I've driven beaters for the last 7 years and the engine on my latest one went kaboom in November. I've been driving my dad's '93 F150 ever since waiting until I had enough cash for a good down payment.

The opinions I was hoping for were more to do with pros and cons of the vehicles I was looking at. You know, handling, blind spots, major maintenance issues, etc. Like Mindstorm's point about wrangler's being loud as fuck on the highway. I'd already thought about that, but it is definitely a valid point.

Quote :

"just get somethin 5-6k that will last a few years"

I'd rather get something I like and enjoy, especially since I can afford it. I like to think of it as my own personal graduation present.

Quote :

" I love how a Wrangler and a Fusion are thrown in there. Obviously you have no idea what you want my son. "

Haha, it may appear that way. But these are the cars that I've always liked for various reasons (well, I left off a lot of ones I like b/c they cost $Texas+Alaska, but you know what I mean).

5/11/2009 12:33:49 PM

Like a Fusion? That's like saying you get a boner for a Camry, lol.

5/11/2009 12:43:38 PM

FUSED BONER

5/11/2009 12:59:05 PM

If we hired a 22-23 year old and they showed up in a C5/C6 or an IS, they'd get so much shit.

SHOULDN'T DRIVE NICER CARS THAN YOUR NEW BOSSES SON.

5/11/2009 1:03:34 PM

^ lol, an IS? Are you getting confused with the ISF? There are probably a billion Lexus IS250/300s sitting in the parking lots of RTP right now.

^^^ Eh, I think the Fusion's styling is way better than the Camry. The Camry has the same basic look as every other cheap Japanese/Korean sedan.

[Edited on May 11, 2009 at 1:20 PM. Reason : .]

5/11/2009 1:15:34 PM

I didn't realize a $35k sedan was as everyman as a Accord

5/11/2009 1:19:29 PM

^^Just saying that rolling up in a 30k car on your first day of work, fresh outta college, could lead people to believe things about you that aren't necessarily true. I've owned a business with ten employees for 3 years now. I hear shit about new people often and most of them are young.

I can guarantee I'd never buy you lunch, haha.

[Edited on May 11, 2009 at 1:39 PM. Reason : g]

5/11/2009 1:33:22 PM

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"The Camry has the same basic look as every other cheap Japanese/Korean sedan."

Well, you know, except that the Camry is probably going to outlast the apparently "non-cheap" Fusion by a couple of decades.

And since when did you think that Japanese and Korean cars were so close that they deserve a slash between them son?


So a Kia Spectra and a Honda NSX Type R are pretty close in terms of looks and build quality, right? I keep getting dat Kia shyte mixed up wit dat NSX Type R shyte. I'm sure each Spectra motor is hand crafted by an old man with many bonzai trees, right? Yes indeed, those hand crafted Spectra motors son. Indeed my son.

5/11/2009 1:36:42 PM

Just b/c the early model camry's lasted forever doesn't mean the ones made the past few years will do the same. I'm not going to argue that Toyota quality sucks by any measure, but there have been reports that they're not as good as they once were and that Ford has improved. http://www.autoobserver.com/2007/10/consumer-reports-toyota-quality-sees-cracks-in-its-armor.html

Also, I was talking about the LOOK of sedans. Comparing the 4 door spectra and Acura's "supercar" is asinine. Why don't we compare a GTR to a fucking Odyssey while we're at it?

5/11/2009 2:06:57 PM

HEY NOW SON....

HEY....

NOW WE'RE COMPARING TWO JAPANESE CARS SON? IS THAT IT SON? TWO JAPANESE CARS SON?

I THOUGHT BEFORE WE SAID THAT JAPANESE AND KOREAN CARS WERE THE SAME SON?


THERE IS NO KOREAN EQUIVALENT TO THE NSX MY SON. AGAIN MY SON, DO NOT EVER PLACE A SLASH BETWEEN THE WORDS KOREAN AND JAPANESE AGAIN MY SON.

EVER.




SON.

5/11/2009 2:08:10 PM

Quote :

"^^Just saying that rolling up in a 30k car on your first day of work, fresh outta college, could lead people to believe things about you that aren't necessarily true. I've owned a business with ten employees for 3 years now. I hear shit about new people often and most of them are young. I can guarantee I'd never buy you lunch, haha. "

DO WORK SON

[Edited on May 11, 2009 at 6:33 PM. Reason : .]

5/11/2009 6:32:58 PM

if i were in your boat i would buy an S4 or 335i

5/11/2009 11:16:16 PM

Quote :

"The opinions I was hoping for were more to do with pros and cons of the vehicles I was looking at. You know, handling, blind spots, major maintenance issues, etc. Like Mindstorm's point about wrangler's being loud as fuck on the highway. I'd already thought about that, but it is definitely a valid point."

Well, with that in mind:

Every luxury car you are considering will probably have more expensive maintenance than every non-luxury brand car you are considering.

You're considering some very expensive cars which would likely require you to have high monthly payments or a car with high miles. Either way you're probably going to buy more car than you need/really want and will pay much more in maintenance and/or car payments and on insurance. You can opt for a car with the v6 engine option instead of the 4 cylinder and it will probably be fast enough for you to be happy with it. At the very least, the faster/sportier options like the 'vette, M3, Z4, or solstice (though the solstice isn't a vette, it's advertised more as a sports car) would probably be far enough into the sporty range that you really wouldn't enjoy them unless you're a track fiend/huge sports car enthusiast.

Since your list is not composed entirely of sports cars, I'm assuming you're just entertaining the idea. These cars would eat up a significant amount of your disposable income compared to your other choices, so I'd recommend you consider that while you're paying more for a car and enjoying your car more, you're going to be limited more in terms of how often you can go out/eat out, what other stuff you can buy (video games, furniture, vacations, boats, guns, etc whatever your hobby is). If you aren't a car nut, don't buy a car nut's choice of car.

So ignoring what I think are the sportier options, you basically have:
'03-07 BMW 3 series
Ford Fusion
Jeep Wrangler
Cadillac CTS
Lexus IS

Three luxury sedans, one entry level to entry level luxury sedan, and one jeep jeep. You've got the lexus IS which, in your price range, is probably the IS250 which isn't as much of a performance oriented car as the BMW 3 series or the Cadillac CTS (depending on which one you go for I guess). Really I would say you're looking at a zippy sedan with good handling and a nice interior (3 series) versus a sporty but less zippy sedan with good handling and a very nice interior (lexus IS) versus a sporty and zippy sedan with a rather nice interior with slightly worse gas mileage than its competitors (the caddy cts). It's really what's important to you, and I'd say if you're driving a decent commute each day you'll want a nicer interior and better gas mileage (either lexus IS or BMW 3 series), but if gas mileage isn't a big deal to you and you just want a car with a nice interior and that's sporty you'll want to go with your other option which is also fast, has a luxurious interior, and has the added bonus of being easy to find in a parking lot (how many CTS's do you see in your average corporate park versus a lexus IS or BMW 3 series).

Now, your other two options are the wrangler and the fusion. The wrangler is obviously your side that is considering a ridiculously capable vehicle that will let you drive most anywhere that's within reason. Given that you're considering other vehicles, though, you probably aren't already driving offroad very much to begin with. With that in mind, you'd want to look at the fusion which will have lower miles for its sale price compared to all of your other options besides the wrangler (i.e. you can get a new fusion in your price range instead of going with a used whatever), which has fuel-efficient and acceptable performance options, and which still has some decent luxury options (leather seats, a variety of gadgets and gizmo options, a stylish "performance" package, and a sunroof). This car may not last as long as some options listed (namely the lexus IS), but it is generally the most practical of all the vehicles listed and will last a long time given that it's based on the proven mazda 6 (previous generation, I think?) platform.

So really you need to go through and rank what's actually important to you. Practicality (gas mileage, safety, utility)? Performance (low-end torque, 0-60 times, top speed, handling)? Capability (on-road/off-road, towing, AWD)? Style (well-designed interior and exterior, newer-generation vehicle)? Luxury (unique interior choices, high-end vehicle options such as navigation systems/leather/voice activation systems/special security systems/nifty features/brand recognition)?

Once you figure that out, the car you want will probably become very clear to you.

5/11/2009 11:23:49 PM

pay cash son.

son.

5/12/2009 12:14:40 AM

09 wrx

5/12/2009 12:30:41 AM

I can only imagine why you'd want to own a Solstice over an S2000 or a 350Z.

5/12/2009 11:06:59 AM

5/12/2009 11:48:26 AM

why are y'all trying to talk him out of a ford fusion?

Some people and some cars are just meant to be together.

This seems like a perfect match.

5/12/2009 12:34:53 PM

It's like Bernie Mac said, "The right car will find you"..

5/12/2009 3:17:57 PM

Serious answer since you're not going to listen to advice about being frugal...

From your list...Go with an e46 sedan (not M3) if you want a car or go with the Wrangler if you want a truck.
Both are great fun and not too expensive.
I'd go BMW unless you'll actually use the Wrangler (camping on the beach, driving across medians so you don't have to go to the stoplight and do a U-turn, driving down the stairs at your apartment complex so you don't have to walk so far, etc.)

It's ok to finance your first car as long as you don't allow it to dig you into a hole you can't climb out of, but you should be paying cash for your second one unless you have a pretty good reason not too.

5/12/2009 4:14:48 PM

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"driving down the stairs at your apartment complex so you don't have to walk so far"

hahaha i knew i should've got a place on the second floor

5/12/2009 9:43:32 PM

lulz...I was thinking about these types of stairs that they always seem to put between the apartments and the parking lot :

5/12/2009 10:58:48 PM

my $.02:

oversimplified version: "you have listed cars that seem appealing in general. If you really want to buy the right car for your purposes, make a list of what you want in a car, then go find those attributes"

more complex version:

I apologize in advance if my advice seems cryptic. I could give my opinion of each of these vehicles, but I believe that would miss the point of the lack of discipline for reaching a conclusion you have implied by posting as you have.

Here is the progression of the steps to my advice:

- you have presented a list of widely different vehicles.
- If you are truly considering so very many widely specified vehicles of such tremendous cost disparity, then you must admit to yourself that:
-- you have essentially NOT ruled out the characteristics that you do NOT want, and
-- you have not budgeted your future income (the certainty of which I am not, and do not need to question), so as to truly nail down what your reasonable outlay for a single "reward vehicle" should be.
- Therefore, all that you have truly decided (which you seem to also have admitted) is that you want to reward yourself for surpassing a milestone.

So, this is my conclusion:

- If you truly cannot eliminate the outliers of your list, then the only thing that makes sense is to buy the cheapest car that you can that provides this "reward" value. Now, if I suggest a vehicle of that ilk, your repulsion of it tells you the things you don't want. I'll provide an example via a hypothetical conversation between you and me:

me: "why not a toyota matrix?"
your hypothetical response: "ugh, such an anonymous blob, and a hatchback! And numb fwd without any grip or performance. I'd rather shoot myself. I'm not prioritizing mpg, anyway, either."

Assuming this would be your response, we'd then have some variables to work with:

you'd have narrowed the looks category:
-no anonymous vehicles (you can have anonymous without ugly, say... lexus sc300)
-no ugly/amorphous vehicles (you can have ugly without anonymous, say nissan cube or pontiac aztek or isuzu vehicross or suzuki x90)
-no "hatchbacks"

you'd have narrowed the drivetrain category too:
- no fwd (or at least no fwd setups that necessitate a lack of grip or performance)
- no need to optimize mpg means you can consider big displacement or high boost setups (or even rotaries).

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Now, more specifically looking at your list based on how I expect you'd actually respond (given you're a Tdub garage vistor), I am going to use educated guesses to nail down what it is that you really want:

A. all but 2 of the vehicles on your list were rwd. It's safe to say you want that.
So Wrangler and Fusion are out.
I might not have eliminated a non-rwd car if it had been one with notably good fwd handling, like a mini or a Vw GTI, but I didn't see anything like that, so it's a moot concern.

B. Out of the rest of your list, you have:
i. 4 4 seat sedans/ coupes
1. e36 coupe/sedan
2. e46 coupe/sedan, incl M3
3. Lexus IS (dunno whether you mean Mk1/"altezza" or the later 250/350s)
4. Cadillac CTS

and
ii. 3 purely 2 seat coupes/ convertibles:
1. solstice
2. bmw z4
3. c5 corvette

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So let's consider the aspects of these two categories that seem to be outliers:

the sedans first:
the e36 and e46 (non m3, anyway) are all used bargain-mobiles at the moment. The newest, highest-spec non-m3 e46 you could get is a 2005 330i Sport/ "ZHP," with 235hp. (I'm leaving out the awd 330xi b/c that's just illogical...)... popping that into kbb.com, with tiny mileage (7.5k/yr for 3 yrs=30k miles) and excellent condition gives $19,830. So..., considering that you've listed both e36 and e46 models, a 'median' 3 series you'd consider would be SIGNIFICANTLY under this "peach" e46 non-m3 sedan. So, it's safe to say that you had no intention of including over-20s sedans. that the lexus is and cadillac cts are clearly those brands' stabs at a 3-series competitor just reinforces the validity of the assumption. Given that the newer IS250/350 has bulletproof residuals and is significantly newer than these 3-series suggest that you meant a gen 1 lexus is300, a car whose primary target was a 2002 330i. heavier than an m3, less powerful, more spacious. A CTS is a similar comparison, given that the 3.6L on the previous-gen CTS was rated at only 250hp, but was significantly larger. Might as well just toss that m3 from consideration then. Between the is300 and the cts, the is300 is far closer to the shared values of the bmws. But the size/spec/shape of the 330i and is300 suggests that the only reason you'd really want an e36 is that you'd be willing to give up a little bit of "newness" (though these things are relative), if it meant that you'd be able to get a car that was closer to these shared 'core' values of this array, but just happened to find the last un-ragged-out e36 on the planet. I am sorry, but the mere fact that this set of comments is happening proves to me that you just aren't dedicated enough to be the guy who finds that last unmolested non-m3 e36. So IT'S gone. Among sedans, you're left with just two then:

-is300 mk1 and
-330i sedan. (let's face it, if you really wanted the coupe, you wouldn't have included the cts or fusion, now would you?)

between those, it's a matter of preference, but I'd say it's a safe bet that given just those two, you'd follow the same logic of everyone else here and get the bimmer.

330i sedan wins the sedan group, then.

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Out of the sports cars.

-you listed a solstice and not a miata. This tells me that you haven't actually driven a solstice. If you had, you wouldn't have been able to consider this post without listing the miata, because the apparent attactiveness of the solstice is its scale and the fact that it is a relatively cheap roadster. However, if you haven't driven a solstice, and therefore haven't lusted after a miata, then a lightweight roadster is off in left field for you, and it's safe to say that you just like the look. Nevermind the fact that the interior is ridiculously restrictive, the steering is numb, the clutch sucks, and there's no trunk and the roof is a pain by comparison to even the original miata. solstice flat OUT.

The z4 makes sense given the profile of the solstice, but again, if you haven't driven the solstice, and you thought of the z4 instead of the miata, then you listed it because it seemed like a car of "similar size, looks, power, footprint, flashiness." You sir, did not say, "I like it in spite of knowing that the electrically assisted steering is novocaine-communicative, sonicare-toothbrush-twitchy, and driving it feels like sitting on the rear bumper, in a hole." Sorry, but you just haven't been disappointed by it yet. That leaves the 'vette. It's easily the best choice of those three, at least as a convertible. But you mentioned that you might like a z06, which was hardtop-only...Why include it as the sole 2seat coupe? No mustang? No z3 coupe? No boxster? You didn't have big displacement or max grip or communication in mind... the corvette made sense as an 'impressive from the curb but now depreciated car.' no Now let's consider your two category winners.

corvette or 330i sedan?

on a list whose wildest deviation from the group was a wrangler instead of an early-90s viper or nsx, or a kit car or something totally without any practicality, I'd say you had a glimmer of practicality in mind.

You sir, didn't realize it, but I suspect that you secretly covet a 330i. And nobody could fault you for that. It's a good car. As a test, compare it against each other car on that list one by one.

which do you prefer?

we've already considered c5 vs 330i.

e46 330i or any e36, including m3? safe to say you'd take the newer car, given what little likelihood of a significant cost savings are to be had given the relative outlay for any of them.
330i.

330i vs solstice? duh. 330i. backseats and a trunk are nice, and you aren't really committed to 2-seat cruising without optimizing for either performance per dollar or communication per dollar.

330i v. z4? same performance with better feedback and visibility and wider range of practicality? face it, you weren't really that attached to the idea of a roadster.

330i v. is300... 330i beats the is300 at all of the things that make buying the is300 over anything else make sense

330i v. e46 m3? c'mon, you know you want the backseat. Do you REALLY expect anyone here to believe it'd be a nail-biter for a cts vs. an m3?

330i v. wrangler? right. Imagine you have both in your garage... it is... any particular weather outside.... 330i gets the drive.

you're welcome.

5/13/2009 4:11:54 AM

You could have just copy and pasted what i wrote.

Quote :

"coupe -> e46 m3 sports car -> 05 C6 luxury sedan -> e90 bmw roadster -> s2000 There is your list. Good luck."

5/13/2009 7:59:46 AM

Quote :

"A. all but 2 of the vehicles on your list were rwd. It's safe to say you want that. So Wrangler and Fusion are out. I might not have eliminated a non-rwd car if it had been one with notably good fwd handling, like a mini or a Vw GTI, but I didn't see anything like that, so it's a moot concern."

Wranglers are not FWD.
Couldn't read any more after that because I noticed it was a three page essay.

5/13/2009 9:43:54 AM

No shit skack. Who the fuck here wouldn't know that a wrangler was 4wd. Reread my post, or at least what you quoted. The wrangler was excluded for being non-rwd, but the statement that i might have allowed a fun fwd to stay doesn't logically imply that I took a wrangler to be a poor-handling fwd. Only that it is neither a rwd car, nor that it was a fun fwd.

5/16/2009 4:25:17 AM

^^Quinn, your post and my post track to similar ranking conclusions, but your post does little to help an excited poster realize what it is that he wanted. I used the list itself to guide to my conclusion as to what he implied he preferred, not just casting my vote for which vehicle on the list most appealed to me or which vehicles I preferre out of commonly arranged subcategories. That is why my post is long. I actually hate long posts. Anyone scoffing at that, try this: read out my posts as though it were a series of lines for stewie. Rarely do I write anything that takes longer than 2-3 minutes to say. The same length of text from an engineering text or law text takes significantly longer because those are usually explaining difficult or convoluted ideas, while I'm pretty sure that I usually just fire off logically successive microstrps to head off mistakes like skack's above.

5/16/2009 4:43:59 AM

Neither does your post, you wrote a novella and inferred on just about every point.

I mean, a guy gives you a list of cars he's interested in and then you outright threw away two of them because they were FWD (despite the fact that the Jeep is more than likely 4WD and the Fusion comes in an AWD variant) in a list of 9 cars that really only have a handful of things in common with each other.

You might as well have said that it was obvious he didn't want a Corvette or E46 M3 because both have 8 cylinders and the other cars on the list don't.

Or that he obviously doesn't want a BMW or Lexus, because all the other cars are American.

5/16/2009 4:28:08 PM

pinto, with a 502

5/19/2009 9:25:53 PM

^^you're using basic logic and reasoning on the guy that claimed he was going to build his own supercar with a ragged iron head lt1 and some other junk.

5/19/2009 9:32:08 PM

Oh

I'm new to this whole "reading The Garage" thing.

5/20/2009 12:36:42 AM