I, for one, do not welcome our new overlords. Using personal, IRL threats and trying to attack someones career in order to "punish" them for what they say on The Motherfucking Wolf Web is so not cool.

like him or hate him, hooksaw has as much "right" to be here as anyone. Even if you despised the political viewpoint he represented, his buffoonery was entertaining. Its not like he ever advocated violence or racism.

i'm pretty disturbed at the way he was run out.




[Edited on February 16, 2009 at 6:32 PM. Reason : ]

2/16/2009 6:30:26 PM

huh?

What are you talking about?

Did i miss something?

2/16/2009 6:31:22 PM

paging Woodfoot

2/16/2009 6:32:47 PM

ibtl

2/16/2009 6:32:57 PM

I thought he left on his own accord. I didn't realize he was run out by someone.

2/16/2009 6:35:02 PM

^^ stfu Chance

you're in on it too, you bald schizo.






[Edited on February 16, 2009 at 6:40 PM. Reason : ]

2/16/2009 6:35:31 PM

^^ it was both

2/16/2009 6:44:45 PM

he was 45.

AGEIST!

2/16/2009 6:55:35 PM

I generally agree with the OP; however, I agree with Woodfoot in this particular situation (or at least with what I believe to be Woodfoot's reasoning).

hooksaw brought IRL to TWW. He made a point to let others know that he's an 'educator' (for lack of a better term), and he made a point of being condescending and insulting to a user base made up of the very students he's dealing with.

There's a definite conflict there.

[Edited on February 16, 2009 at 6:58 PM. Reason : ]

2/16/2009 6:56:04 PM

yeah he definitely said he was leaving of his own accord

2/16/2009 7:11:02 PM

i'm an engineer for a major medical device manufacturer. I would never want my professional life to meet my TDub life. my professionalism, maturity, technical competence, and probably my very sanity would be called into question.

so, based on my own common sense about Teh Intarnets, i post very little personally identifiable information. i probably already post too much as it is. i try to keep it separated because i know better.

but just because someone DOES post some identifiable info, doesnt give others the right to track him down at his employer and threaten to jeopardize his job.

to excuse it is like saying the car thief is not culpable because the victim left their car unlocked.

2/16/2009 7:11:11 PM

someone give me the cliff notes.....as a fellow long time soap boxer i feel out of the loop

Quote :

"i'm an engineer for a major medical device manufacturer. I would never want my professional life to meet my TDub life. my professionalism, maturity, technical competence, and probably my very sanity would be called into question. "

I know how that goes. I try to keep my tdub more mature than I used do in my glory days

[Edited on February 16, 2009 at 7:20 PM. Reason : .]

2/16/2009 7:16:42 PM

I agree completely. what kind of BS is that?

2/16/2009 7:18:35 PM

essentially it boils down to Chance, under his many aliases, posting specific info about hooksaw's identity, and Woodfoot using said information to threaten hooksaw's academic career with the CHASS administration at NCSU.



[Edited on February 16, 2009 at 7:25 PM. Reason : ]

2/16/2009 7:22:42 PM

this is why i use my real name

2/16/2009 7:23:48 PM

fuck that. what kind of tool does that?

2/16/2009 7:24:42 PM

Then there was additional threats by Tiberius to hire a crackhead to wait for hooksaw outside his graduate office and kill him.

normally that shit would be dismissed as a joke, but considering it was following other threats made specifically against his IRL information .... well, its not very joke-worthy at that point.

because there is documented evidence of internet psychos making IRL physical attacks against their chatroom/myspace/whatever opponents.

i mean DNL got permabanned because the stupid mongoloid made a drunken rape threat against Jen. Which, of course, is the appropriate response. But a murder threat against hooksaw based on his real IRL contact info is ignored.

i can see why he felt like he had to leave.






[Edited on February 16, 2009 at 7:35 PM. Reason : ]

2/16/2009 7:29:25 PM

Thats really messed up, how did he get his personal info? What thread or incident started this whole mess?

I mean despite how much we bitch at each other and talk shit on here, I think the unwritten rule (especially for the crew that pretty much hangs out in SB) is that what happens on TWW stays on TWW. I think we should all work towards stopping out personal attacks and sticking only to arguing against opions. I wish we could all be a little more civil and not get personal. In all honesty, I would love to have a beer with some of my SB sparring partners and just shoot the shit IRL. I dont think anyone here is really a bad person per say, we just get passionate on the issues. Even though Im a cop Im not an ass IRL, Im a laid back guy. I think we should all resolve to just be a little nicer towards each other.

[Edited on February 16, 2009 at 7:31 PM. Reason : .]

2/16/2009 7:30:00 PM

I didnt know that about DNL...I am way out of the loops.

seriously, why arent these guys defending their actions here?

are you going to man up and explain yourself?

2/16/2009 7:32:21 PM

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"this is why i use my real name --marko "

well, you're a class act. most of us aren't quite so cool.

serious.

2/16/2009 7:33:13 PM

Quote :

"I mean despite how much we bitch at each other and talk shit on here, I think the unwritten rule (especially for the crew that pretty much hangs out in SB) is that what happens on TWW stays on TWW. I think we should all work towards stopping out personal attacks and sticking only to arguing against opions. I wish we could all be a little more civil and not get personal. In all honesty, I would love to have a beer with some of my SB sparring partners and just shoot the shit IRL. I dont think anyone here is really a bad person per say, we just get passionate on the issues. Even though Im a cop Im not an ass IRL, Im a laid back guy. I think we should all resolve to just be a little nicer towards each other. "

I agree and I am just as guilty as being combative when provoked as anyone on here. I think there are a lot of smart people here and I think we all could learn from each other's viewpoints if we werent so eager to use the funniest profanity/personal attack to the other side at first opportunity.

2/16/2009 7:35:36 PM

The difference between most of you and hooksaw is that hooksaw did not separate IRL from TWW.

I certainly don't condone physical threats. That's uncalled for.

But hooksaw set himself up when he couldn't separate his IRL and intarweb personas.

2/16/2009 7:37:39 PM

anyone in here except for me had any interaction outside tww with hooksaw?

2/16/2009 7:38:31 PM

so what the hell caused this

2/16/2009 7:40:08 PM

I have never once met the man who is hooksaw. i have had no desire to track him down through CHASS, although I probably could have if i wanted to spend the effort.

and tanzarian, you are excusing the car thief for stealing a car, because the owner left the door unlocked. never mind they had to break the steering column to jack the ignition.

2/16/2009 7:43:12 PM

I don't agree with your analogy.

The internet is a public place. What you do and what you say on the internet is up for public scrutiny.

2/16/2009 7:45:54 PM

BS. its entertainment. not SERIOUS BUSINESS.

you are fucking with a person's life and career simply because you dont agree with his opinions or the way he presented them.

2/16/2009 7:50:12 PM

the internet is serious business

current events have shown this to be true

2/16/2009 7:52:01 PM

What the hell did I miss?

2/16/2009 7:53:35 PM

What marko said--it is serious business.

I treat it as entertainment, and encourage others to do the same. Nonetheless, it's pretty clear that others do not.

2/16/2009 7:55:11 PM

Quote :

"The internet is a public place. What you do and what you say on the internet is up for public scrutiny."

i agree with you. and no one should ever think any thing different.

but this doesnt give someone the right to stalk them IRL and threaten their career

i'd say that is douchebaggery of the highest order.

i'm not certain, but i also suspect that to threaten their life is probably illegal.

2/16/2009 7:55:49 PM

the internet is not serious enough to take it to a personal level. that crosses the line. whether a person threatens another or goes to their job or whatever makes it serious when it previously was not.

2/16/2009 8:01:31 PM

I didn't know this shit went down. I agree with schmoe that it ain't cool.

(For the record, you can find my full name in my profile. I'm not too worried about anyone coming after me, particularly now that I'm in Albuquerque.)

2/16/2009 8:03:34 PM

Don't get me wrong--stalking and threats are definitely well beyond the line.

However, hooksaw made very clear who is employer was and someone found his behavior inappropriate for someone in his position (and I'm inclined to agree with that asessment).

I personally wouldn't rat hooksaw out for that, but it's a risk he took when he failed to separate IRL and the intarweb.

2/16/2009 8:03:43 PM

how is any behavior on TWW appropriate for any professional job?

he was singled out because his opinions were not popular.

2/16/2009 8:06:29 PM

No, he was singled out because he went out of his way--as an educator--to denigrate students.

2/16/2009 8:11:14 PM

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"found his behavior inappropriate for someone in his position"

What "behavior" is this?

2/16/2009 8:11:43 PM

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"No, he was singled out because he went out of his way--as an educator--to denigrate students."

LOL

you must not know many teachers. they all do this. should I go tell my neighbor's principle that she thinks half her kids are brainless brats?

2/16/2009 8:15:44 PM

Depends on the circumstances. If she tells the students themselves that they're brainless little brats, she probably won't employed long.

[Edited on February 16, 2009 at 8:17 PM. Reason : ]

2/16/2009 8:16:18 PM

hooksaw never denigrated 'his students'. he wouldnt have known if he had any students here, nor would they have known he was their TA.

so, hooksaw most likely never even had any students on here that he actually talked to. And even if he did, hooksaw and 'his students' would never even have known they had any connection outside of TWW if it were not for the above-mentioned stalking and exposure.

so, you apparently are confusing "his students" with the population of TWW at large.

2/16/2009 8:17:25 PM

^^ I want you to find me one instance, where hooksaw actually direclty insulted of the students that he TA'd, or otherwise exposed them in any manner.

2/16/2009 8:19:10 PM

did hooksaw ever seriously threaten anyone?

if not, all attempts to defend actions taken against him are utterly ridiculous and even more pathetic.

2/16/2009 8:19:24 PM

^^^ C'mon--you're smart enough to know the appearance of a situation are often more important than the reality of a situation.

^^ and you know he was a flaming asshole.

[Edited on February 16, 2009 at 8:20 PM. Reason : ]

2/16/2009 8:19:25 PM

^ Unless he knows specifically who he's talking to there's not really a conflict of interest. If he's speaking in generality then I don't see a problem.

With as PC as everyone seems to be these days I guess I can see how they might get upset.




If you complained on here (on your own private time) about how mindless/worthless customers are at work, would that qualify as inappropriate behavior? Assuming you do your job the right way and work hard, I wouldn't see it as inappropriate at all

2/16/2009 8:20:17 PM

If you do that and tie it to your employer, I can see them taking action no matter how good you are.

2/16/2009 8:21:40 PM

Then you must see that if he didn't "tie" his "denegrations" to his students, then there wouldn't be a problem, correct?

2/16/2009 8:22:47 PM

Quote :

"you know he was a flaming asshole."

that's totally beside the point.

you claim he denigrated "his students" But i say, he "denigrated" the entire TWW.

because, you can not point to any instance of him calling out one of "his students" as "stupid", or exposing them.

the likelihood is, that he has never even encountered a single student he TA'd on these forums.





[Edited on February 16, 2009 at 8:32 PM. Reason : ]

2/16/2009 8:24:02 PM

unbelievable.

some of you must really lead pathetic, empty lives to pull some shit like this.

[Edited on February 16, 2009 at 8:28 PM. Reason : .]

2/16/2009 8:27:38 PM

hooksaw was on a forum whose target audience consists of students at NCSU.

Look:

I think hooksaw put himself in a bad spot by combining his IRL and TWW personas.

No matter what you and I think about it, you're ignoring reality if you think the things you do and the things you say on the internet can't find you in real life.

If I had my druthers, the internet would NOT be serious business. But it's pretty clear that it is.

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^ ...and to be clear, I had zero to do with hooksaw leaving. I'm just saying that I can see where others are coming from.

[Edited on February 16, 2009 at 8:32 PM. Reason : ]

2/16/2009 8:29:46 PM

Quote :

" I think hooksaw put himself in a bad spot by combining his IRL and TWW personas. "

yes, maybe so. but there was still the other half of the equation...someone holier than thou who got their feelings hurt. probably after they goaded him into saying something off the wall.

karma is a bitch. if you dish it out, you should be able to take it.

2/16/2009 8:33:41 PM