Long shoe front, short shoe rear? Or vice versa?

9/21/2008 3:08:24 PM

correct.

take one side apart a a time

[Edited on September 21, 2008 at 3:20 PM. Reason : long shoe front]

9/21/2008 3:19:45 PM

hate em

9/21/2008 6:18:08 PM

^agreed.
Pull spring.
Watch shit fall apart.
Stare for 20 minutes.
Put back together.
Adjust.
Adjust.
Adjust.

9/21/2008 6:38:30 PM

forget about brake spring tools. use needle nose vice grips and a pinch bar.





I hate em.

9/21/2008 7:15:21 PM

There's a tool for them? I always just used needle nose pliers too.

9/21/2008 7:32:14 PM

Oh I love drum brakes. There simple too, if they piss you off then you need to replace them on about 100 more vehicles and it will become much less stressful. only reason I had to ask about this is because I couldnt remember the order. Only reason that is an issue is because someone put rear brakes on this truck about a week ago and the parking brake doesnt work, usually that happens when some idiot fucks up and puts the shoes on backwards.

9/21/2008 7:38:22 PM

yeah ive seen the tools.
hah

i did the rear drums on my civic.. couldnt get that one clip off. , plus it had a decent bit of pad left compared to the other pad. so i left it on there.

it needs adjusting. but ill be damned if im opening up that drum unless i have to

9/21/2008 7:38:55 PM

? you do not have to remove the drum to adjust them.

9/21/2008 7:50:22 PM

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"it needs adjusting"

arent hondas self adjusting ?

9/21/2008 7:53:43 PM

just about all drums are self adjusting but self adjusting isnt as good as really adjusting them.

9/21/2008 7:55:03 PM

i didnt know they had the spur on them tho. my bad

9/21/2008 7:57:59 PM

yeah, that little spur. ive messed it with a bit.

9/21/2008 8:31:19 PM

some you can access the star wheel from the back of the backing plate.

i've only had a few that i couldn't get to self adjust "good enough" on their own though. i find that 30mph bouncing off the rev limiter in reverse and slamming on brakes a few times typically auto adjusts all but the most stubborn ones.

9/21/2008 10:39:38 PM

that wont do shit if the shoes are on backwards though, and the hardware is only half connected like I have found mine to be

9/21/2008 10:53:30 PM

yeah, when i got my Cutlass back in highschool, i found that someone had put the shoes on backwards.

i hate changing brake shoes. i've only done it once, and i had help from my grandfather. i remember it to be kind of an asspain, though.

the drums on my Fourtrax 200 were really easy to adjust, though. i'll give them that.

9/21/2008 11:42:59 PM

If you want to become proficient at drum brakes buy a car with drums on the front wheels. You'll either learn or go in the ditch.

9/22/2008 9:26:56 AM

^FTW

9/22/2008 9:42:14 AM

My old ford truck had front drums.

My '64 Dodge 330 had front drums.

My '74 Volks Super Beetle had front drums (as do ALL US models, dammit).

I learned how to do drum brakes when I was 15...on that damn Ford truck. Completely redid them when I turned 16.

Most drum brakes are self-energizing, meaning that the lead shoe (front one) actually functions like a sprag in a one-way clutch assembly. Faster rotation=more braking force. This is why the lead shoe has more friction area.

Self adjusters rarely work like they should. They actually require too much damn slack to adjust properly, and they always seem to seize up from corrosion, etc. I prefer to adjust 'em manually every coupla months. They stay a lot tighter that way.

[Edited on September 22, 2008 at 9:44 AM. Reason : why why why]

9/22/2008 9:44:25 AM

do note there is a left and right side star wheel adjuster. if you switch them your pedal will be softer than charmin.

9/22/2008 10:59:12 AM

Quote :

"Most drum brakes are self-energizing, meaning that the lead shoe (front one) actually functions like a sprag in a one-way clutch assembly. Faster rotation=more braking force. This is why the lead shoe has more friction area."

Exactly what I was thinking.

9/22/2008 11:51:21 AM

Quote :

"i find that 30mph bouncing off the rev limiter in reverse and slamming on brakes a few times typically auto adjusts all but the most stubborn ones. "

FTW. Baonest, I had a really weird noise coming from my right rear drum brake and did exactly what BBR suggested (only took it to about 15mph though hah, not as badass as BBR). Shut that bastard right up

9/22/2008 5:20:19 PM

haha... ill give that a try.

lol, knight rider niggaz

9/22/2008 5:22:23 PM

OK finally got around to this tonight, sure enough, dougs service center fucked up when replacing the shoes, installed them backwards (so R on L and vice versa), never hooked up the adjuster cable, and butchered a couple springs. New shoes, hardware kit, 80g to the drums, and bled the old black, vinegar fluid out and things are working much better. Still no proper parking brake, but tomorrow I will try the 30mph in reverse trick and report back.

9/28/2008 10:49:24 PM

Still had to manual adjust to get it close, then went to some new construction and tightened it up the reverse way. Parking brake is good now. Threw some new pads on the front too, it should be a LOT better towing the car hauler now.

9/30/2008 12:40:19 AM

Quote :

"I will try the 30mph in reverse trick "

please dont do that. if the shit isnt one right like you say it wastn you will be lucky to stop. for real

9/30/2008 12:46:53 AM

can you not fucking read? i had already replaced what was fucked up.

9/30/2008 12:55:14 AM

OH SNAP SON. LOOKS LIKE SOMEBODY GOT PWNT SON.

9/30/2008 12:56:15 AM

you'll have to excuse him, he's used to the crank brakes on his walmart bike. he's also had a bad experience with a tree pulling out in front of him and not being able to stop.

9/30/2008 1:00:16 AM

I SEE, THOSE TREES MOVE QUICK SON.

9/30/2008 1:03:21 AM

im sorry you know so much you didnt have to ask the experts here on tww. ill back out now

Quote :

"he's used to the crank brakes "

those are called coaster brakes you fucking pirate.

[Edited on September 30, 2008 at 1:25 AM. Reason : carlface]

9/30/2008 1:21:34 AM

lol, can you name all the parts of a big wheel too?

9/30/2008 1:39:36 AM

will go put some baseball cards in your spokes or something

9/30/2008 7:16:59 AM

9/30/2008 10:35:19 AM

had to do a set on a 2006 silverado a few months back. the entire job took about 30 minutes until I got to the passenger side brake cable. took me an hour to pull the cable into the tab. I fucking hate those things.

10/1/2008 1:24:39 AM

i dont use vice grips, or pliers at all on drum brakes. dykes ftw.

10/1/2008 6:45:54 AM

^^^AHAHA that is the new Ragged/slowblack96 theme pic... someone do a funny chop on it.

i've got a pair of right angle needle noses that are nice for drums on the rare occasion i'm forced to screw with them.

10/1/2008 8:03:58 AM