spelled it right this year

9/14/2008 7:29:24 PM

you will not get the ball and you will like it

9/14/2008 7:29:54 PM

calling Restricted

9/14/2008 7:31:52 PM

that was fucking bullshit. gave them the game

9/14/2008 7:33:09 PM

his crew spotted denver 15 points

bullshit

a postseason suspension is mandatory for that atrocity of a game

9/14/2008 7:40:57 PM

I don't understand why they don't let things play out in situations that might be fumbles. I mean, what's the worst that could happen, they have a better chance at getting the call right?

9/14/2008 7:49:28 PM

Quote :

"what's the worst that could happen"

The team that they are betting on could lose?

9/14/2008 7:50:58 PM

Thing is, I've definitely seen situations where a team was given possession after a review where the play had not been ruled a fumble originally and was blown dead. Chargers were most definitely hosed.

9/14/2008 7:55:07 PM

it's because separate rules exist for fumbles from a QB and fumbles from a RB/WR/TE etc

basically if a QB fumbles and it's blown dead, the team gets it back...if another player does, the ball can go to the other team

it's complete and utter bullshit

9/14/2008 8:13:26 PM

reverse-tuck rule

9/14/2008 8:14:16 PM

I hope he chokes on his fucking whistle tonight.

9/14/2008 8:16:40 PM

honestly, whats the point of having replay if they are going to not make the correct call to begin with. the point of replay is to reduce error. I dont give a shit when he blew the whistle, its clear it didnt affect the outcome of that play. Everyone knows it was a fumble and that you just handed Denver the win. total bullshit

9/14/2008 8:21:01 PM

^ [/thread]

9/14/2008 8:21:29 PM

The problem was the call on the field - which was that it was an incomplete pass. When Cutler lost the ball, Hochuli blew the whistle and signaled for an incomplete pass. At that point the play was over.

When he reviewed the play and determined it was actually a fumble, the Broncos got the ball at the spot of the fumble. Hochuli couldn't give the Chargers the ball b/c he blew the play dead.

And none of that changes the fact the Chargers got royally hosed on that call. It also doesn't change the fact that the Chargers D was fucking abysmal and was ultimately the reason for the loss.

9/14/2008 8:25:02 PM

i wouldn't say ultimately. i mean, if the refs did the job the chargers would have won by 14 points even with their terrible defense.

[Edited on September 14, 2008 at 8:26 PM. Reason : ]

9/14/2008 8:26:41 PM

^ no, the bad calls did not AUTOMATICALLY lead to the scores

9/14/2008 8:28:35 PM

well i didnt see the first one so i dont know the situation, but the 2nd AUTOMATICALLY led to the broncos maintaining possession, which is as good as leading to points, since they shouldnt have had the ball anymore.

9/14/2008 8:30:40 PM

no, its not the same. What you are saying would apply if the bad call made the play go from a fumble to a TD for the Broncos

[Edited on September 14, 2008 at 8:33 PM. Reason : d]

9/14/2008 8:31:59 PM

There was 1:15 left in the game. Chargers take possession/game over.

9/14/2008 8:34:13 PM

would they have scored a td if the call was made correctly?

9/14/2008 8:34:50 PM

ok, but it was possible for denver to retain possession and still not score.

9/14/2008 8:34:55 PM

I know the explaination, but it still doesnt make it right. The point of replay is to reduce error. So in the is case, the only thing it proved was that Ed fucked up, the ball should be placed on the 10, and SD isnt assured of winning the game. Now im pretty sure that instant replay was installed not to document when the ref fucks up, but to get the correct call. clearly that was missed.

9/14/2008 8:34:59 PM

^ I agree with that

9/14/2008 8:35:47 PM

^^word

[Edited on September 14, 2008 at 8:37 PM. Reason : a]

9/14/2008 8:37:25 PM

come on jaybee. did you see the game? we can argue semantics and technicalities all we want. but you know that the defense should have never been placed in the position they were had the refs done their job. and the game, in fact, no questions asked, undoubtedly, would have been over and won by the chargers, had hochuli not screwed up an obvious call.

but yeah you're right they didn't lead directly to the scores. but while the calls did not directly lead to a chargers loss, they very directly stole a chargers win.

[Edited on September 14, 2008 at 8:41 PM. Reason : ]

9/14/2008 8:38:08 PM

I agree they shouldnt have had the chance to score.

All I am saying is that it was possible for the Broncos to keep possession and still not have scored/won. The TD and the 2 point conversion both involved effort by the players on the field

[Edited on September 14, 2008 at 8:39 PM. Reason : d]

9/14/2008 8:38:32 PM

well i'm pretty sure thats what everybody else is saying. no one is arguing the broncos didnt score. everyone is saying they shouldnt have gotten that chance to score.

9/14/2008 8:39:57 PM

HOCHULI: THE GAMEBURGLAR

9/14/2008 8:43:10 PM

wait

so even if he calls it a fumble, chargers don't get the ball?

someone tell me i heard that wrong

9/14/2008 9:55:59 PM

^
Ref blew the play dead before the fumble.

9/14/2008 9:57:09 PM

before the fumble recovery actually

9/14/2008 9:58:44 PM

i know that

that's not what i'm talking about

but its not that important anymore

9/14/2008 10:00:37 PM

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9/14/2008 10:04:22 PM

Ed, gunzz meathead, Hochuli

9/14/2008 10:06:03 PM

^^a little late there buddy

9/14/2008 10:27:12 PM

So the only reason they reviewed it was to determine the spot for Denver, right? I didn't catch everything...

9/15/2008 10:11:43 AM

I didn't record the game but it ran late and into the 60 Minutes slot that I do record. It looks like Cutler obviously lost the ball and Ed, thinking it was a pass, blew the play dead when it hit the ground. SD then recovered the "incomplete pass" (the play is officially over at this point). The play is reviewed and Ed basically says he screwed up in his explanation and blew the whistle too soon and to make up for it he places the ball at the point where the fumble happened.

9/15/2008 10:23:37 AM

perhaps the chargers shouldnt have let cutler have 4+ seconds in the pocket to make that 2 point conversion at the end? OR they could have stopped them earlier in the game. I agree they got shafted on the call, but let's be real and agree that if they had played better for even a fraction of the rest of the game they could have been in a better spot to win the game at the end

9/15/2008 10:44:36 AM

^^ So he ONLY reviewed it to determine the spot where Denver keeps possession? Why didn't he announce that BEFORE he reviewed the play???

9/15/2008 10:52:06 AM

The chargers D, while they certainly didn't play good, played well enough to win by 14 pts. Period.

The first chambers "fumble" should have been overturned and it was taken back for a TD. Replay technology was not available.

How the second "fumble" was not initially called a fumble I will never know and it is unfortunate that the replay rules don't allow him to correct his mistake in that situation. Either way, regardless of how shitty the chargers D was, that is 15 Points on the board for the Broncos that shouldn't be there.

9/15/2008 10:56:11 AM

Chargers D was atrocious - I hope Cromartie thinks long and hard about this game

but they still were the better team and deserved to win

if I was Norv Turner I would come out and talk about how we need to improve the defense and not bitch about the calls because everyone knows they got hosed

[Edited on September 15, 2008 at 11:13 AM. Reason : .]

9/15/2008 11:11:12 AM

^^Actually the first BS call that would've been overturned had the equipment been functioning was ruled an interception. So the Chargers got screwed, and so did our hometown hero Priv who if not for that dumbass call would have 6 TDs and 0 INTs for the season thus far.

9/15/2008 12:16:05 PM

I Wonder if we will see a stat adjustment this week.

9/15/2008 12:29:51 PM

You won't.

The NFL won't blast Hochuli.

They'll praise his interpretation of the rules that followed the fucked up call.

9/15/2008 12:31:37 PM

^^^ aha, that may be the most hilarious post I've seen in a while

9/15/2008 12:38:08 PM

i've heard the term "inadvertant whistle" before, i know he meant to blow the whistle but would it make a difference in the play if he interpreted it differently?

and i know chambers was down before champ ripped the ball away, but why is that an interception rather than a fumble like gates had last week?

9/15/2008 1:06:34 PM

^ glad i'm not the only one who feels like he's taking crazy pills here. I don't see how that was ruled an interception. Chambers caught the pass, made a "football move", was tackled, (insert: should have been ruled down), then had the ball stripped. Sounds like fumble to me.

9/15/2008 1:26:35 PM

it was a simultaneous catch, therefore not reviewable anyways

9/15/2008 1:37:56 PM

Don't worry about Philip, his years at NC State prepared him for hardcore screw jobs.

9/15/2008 1:45:24 PM

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