okay, i cant believe im here again, but if hooksaw got suspenders for reacting against the "Conservative Atheist Shoots Up Christian Church" thread... i think that's a little harsh. i mean, he *was* being attacked on all sides, in what i think was a pretty unfair way.I mean, I don't think i wouldn't have lost my head over it (it is just the internet, after all), but i can see why he might.while he "should" rise above it, i think the persecution has gotten pretty one-sided against him, at least in that thread.
7/28/2008 10:11:58 PM
It wasn't that he retaliated so much as how he retaliated. That was a pretty profanity laced post he led off with. Then when everyone starting trolling the fuck out of him he posted the penis picture. Not the best way to handle it. Although I agree he is attacked a lot, but not necessarily unprovoked. He sticks his nose in a lot of threads though, so he's definitely gonna get smacked around a little bit. He needs to learn how to handle it because he usually gives as well as he receives.
7/29/2008 12:22:36 AM
penis picture? oh.... well, i missed that part.whatever, while i agree there does have to be a boundary for TSB, I still think it was a little unfair of an attack on him. i mean, no matter what you think about him, he's not like that guy who pulls a mass shooting at a church, for chrissakes. that's a pretty hardcore accusation to level on someone. for everyone to gang up on him like that, i think maybe he was trying to shock/offend you guys as much as he was shocked/offended by the accusation that he was just like some crazy mass murderer.at least the worst instigators should be suspended along with him.wasnt moron suspended too? did someone other than Duke let him out?[Edited on July 29, 2008 at 12:42 AM. Reason : ]
7/29/2008 12:27:30 AM
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7/29/2008 8:14:11 AM
if (post = nsfw) if (section <> chit_chat) suspend(user)
7/29/2008 8:14:39 AM
he deserved this suspension a lot. his reaction was only slightly understandable - there was no reason for him to go to that extreme. he just needs to learn to chill out. he'd be much more liked here if he learned how to confront people in a sane manner rather than calling them names and launching into a tirade of cursing whenever someone even slightly insults him or his 'reasoning.'
7/29/2008 8:16:29 AM
you have to realize the dude is like 60 years old...so if he hasn't figured that out by now i don't think he's gonna change his ways now.
7/29/2008 8:18:22 AM
FREE HIM!!!!Seriously. I mean, like Schmoe said, the attacks on him have gotten gratuitous and dull. If we're going to start censoring dick-pictures why don't we start censoring dick-ish comments? Neither are exactly "safe for work" if your boss is literate.[Edited on July 29, 2008 at 10:27 AM. Reason : ``]
7/29/2008 10:24:37 AM
it wasnt censoring dick pictures...there is no need for NSFW content to be posted at all in TSB, period
7/29/2008 10:29:21 AM
^ says you, non-TSB mod. But your opinion is worth about as much as mine (zilch). If that's the way Duke wants to run his show, that's cool. But I respectfully disagree w/him.[Edited on July 29, 2008 at 12:25 PM. Reason : ``]
7/29/2008 12:23:50 PM
he deserved a short suspension for the NSFW pic in a non Chit Chat threadbut the thread was also baiting him which should also be discouraged in non Chit Chat threads[Edited on July 29, 2008 at 12:32 PM. Reason : 68,000]
7/29/2008 12:31:47 PM
^ aye, i could live with them rules.
7/29/2008 12:34:50 PM
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7/29/2008 12:44:16 PM
gunzz, Would you really step over Duke's rules to impose your own sense of order or protect your ego? Let's see....Duke created the TSB smackdown thread for the express purpose of pointless shit talking. His rules. Should you obey them?http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=500208&page=11[Edited on July 29, 2008 at 12:57 PM. Reason : ``]
7/29/2008 12:56:18 PM
seriously, less than 24 hours for hooksaw and a perm ban for liusclues when hooksaw is a repeat offender and pissed off a lot of people? this is not right.free liusclues
7/29/2008 1:18:50 PM
Plenty of people have been ganged up on worse than hooksaw was, and they manage not to bug out. It's the internet for Christ's sake. He's pretty brutal with his insults, and he's leveled them at a lot of people. You've got to reap what you sow, man.I got the impression that the initial comment was more an afterthought than anything else.
7/29/2008 1:29:16 PM
So the thrust of the free-kooksaw argument is that he was the victim of cyber bullying, and therefore was justified in posting a wiener picture?If that's the standard, every thread on TWW will have wieners.IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT?[Edited on July 29, 2008 at 1:44 PM. Reason : .]
7/29/2008 1:42:50 PM
7/29/2008 1:46:46 PM
anyone who responds directly to hooksaw? i've had him lash out at me on several occasions.
7/29/2008 1:47:47 PM
^you've had one person lash out at you? not exactly the same as being ganged up onseriously...tell me one person in TSB who has been ganged up on more than hooksawor GrumpyGOP could tell me someone since he was the one who claimed "plenty of people"]
7/29/2008 1:51:23 PM
You, Chance, salisburyboy, megaloman. Generally people with extremist views that refuse to debate in a decent manner, or are just batshit insane/stupid.
7/29/2008 2:02:16 PM
the quantity of the gangup on hooksaw was somewhat uncool, but hey it's the internet... the number of attackers is not the problemhowever it was the nature of the attacks that was just as much out of line as posting penis pictures.they were purely personal attacks and -- in and of themselves -- would be totally worthy of suspensions by current rules as Duke has explained and generally enforces.If [user]TheDuke966[/user] wasnt travellign cross country by car right now, i'd be willing to bet money that he would have suspended one or more of the instigators BEFORE it even got to the penis picture.i know i damn sure would have. It comes down to this: if the penis picture is worthy of suspension (and ill agree that it is) then so are the instigating personal attacks that precluded it.the reason is, we try to maintain a level of discourse that is at least superficially higher than Chit Chat.[Edited on July 29, 2008 at 2:07 PM. Reason : ]
7/29/2008 2:06:07 PM
7/29/2008 2:10:18 PM
The fact that hooksaw is the most-abusive user in the SB isn't really debatable. No one lashes out like him, and no one swears like him.So to use personal attacks as an excuse to post his porn in a SFW thread is lame.[Edited on July 29, 2008 at 2:21 PM. Reason : .]
7/29/2008 2:16:59 PM
Someone does even need to be advesarial to Hooksaw and he'll start throwing out insult after insult in their direction. All it takes is a simple refutation of one of his posts and he riding the bus to Dorothea Dix.
7/29/2008 2:19:31 PM
okay, i will agree that the penis picture was suspension-worthy.and i'll be the first to admit that hes often behaves like a combative lunatic at the least bit of provocation.but in this case, he was attacked without provocation, in a manner that was purely personal and had no redeeming value per our somewhat-subjective quality criteria for TSB postsso i'm saying if he was suspended for overreacting, then others should have been suspended for attacking in the first place.that is all.[Edited on July 29, 2008 at 2:48 PM. Reason : oh, and he's out now? well... never mind then. move along.]
7/29/2008 2:42:44 PM
And his attacks on people are always provoked and always have a redeeming value to them.
7/29/2008 3:01:03 PM
7/29/2008 3:06:26 PM
i pretty much agree with the way all the mods run things now a days[Edited on July 29, 2008 at 3:13 PM. Reason : other than liusclues being suspended for so long]
7/29/2008 3:13:16 PM
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7/29/2008 3:29:40 PM
Oh, and I didn't even realize that hooksaw has a history of this:message_topic.aspx?topic=440553
7/29/2008 3:32:26 PM
7/29/2008 4:38:54 PM
^ You totally misunderstand my post and missed the point I was making. Click the link for clarification.PS* So do the the mods have their own forum? [Edited on July 29, 2008 at 5:21 PM. Reason : ``]
7/29/2008 4:57:11 PM
PS* um, duh?
7/29/2008 6:09:30 PM
^ count the number of times gunzz mentions the mod forum in his two previous posts and re-examine my question. Hint: Click this link for the answer.http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sarcasm
7/29/2008 6:13:33 PM
^ oh. lol. well, whatever. i dont have a hardon for gunnz, so i dont maintain statistics on his posting style.To: Everyone,BEFORE THIS THREAD ENDS ... I want to make my last observation...I didnt know about the penis picture when i made this thread, it had already been deleted. so all i saw were the furious attacks on hooksaw.i didnt realize that many (most?) of them were IN RESPONSE TO the penis picture, which i never saw. Even after i was told about the picture, i didnt really connect that the flurry of attacks against him were coming after the picture had been posted.If those were inital attacks against Hooksaw, they would be out of bounds.... but IN HINDSIGHT, if i had known about the penis pic, my "care factor" would have been somewhat less than the required amount to push me into making this thread.thanks for your consideration, have a nice day! [Edited on July 29, 2008 at 6:26 PM. Reason : ]
7/29/2008 6:20:05 PM
you know, this is the problem when moderators delete posts.if that penis picture had been Hooksaw's first or second response, and then 95% of the personal attacks could be show to be clearly AFTER the picture had been posted...then i dont think anyone here would give two shits if he were suspended for a week.but since you mods, in your rush to "protect" us all from errant penises, go and delete shit like you do, it gave the appearance that hooksaw was being brutally attacked for no reason.that editing shit you do really sucks. and i wish y'all would cut it the fuck out.[Edited on July 29, 2008 at 6:32 PM. Reason : ]
7/29/2008 6:31:26 PM
So are you giving away the upgrade version or the full install license? Also, is it the commercial/retail licensing or is it an education/limited license? What OS versions does it support?
7/29/2008 7:46:42 PM
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7/29/2008 8:12:51 PM
Did I actually get you there for a second?
7/29/2008 9:45:54 PM
I don't get all the bullshit about personal attacks. It's like every post in TSB that has personal attacks. Thats par for the course. As long as there's content with the attack, it seems to be legal. Hooksaw on the other hand, posted a VERY NSFW picture in a forum other than chit chat...which should ALWAYS results in a suspension. I don't get all the bitching. Really.
7/29/2008 10:40:42 PM
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7/30/2008 1:26:42 AM
fuck it.. i got nothing.[Edited on July 30, 2008 at 2:04 AM. Reason : ]
7/30/2008 1:57:22 AM
I can't believe the amount of "Soap Box is supposed to be above personal attacks" that I'm seeing here.It is,and I want to make this perfectly clear,the fucking internet.To be more precise still, it's the fucking wolfweb. If you're going to have a seizure every time somebody talks shit, you need to go elsewhere.And yes, I'm going to take advantage of every route I can to make him violate the rules again, and I believe I can do it while staying within the boundaries that have been set.[Edited on July 30, 2008 at 4:25 AM. Reason : ]
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