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datman
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I cant find the website my buddy told me about where you can select what vehicle you have and then it has a sound clip for whatever flowmaster muffler you want to hear

so if i select for my truck and then try the 50 series delta flow, it would give me the sound of what my truck would sound like with that particular muffler setup.

anyone know this website?

7/21/2008 2:23:24 AM

theDuke866
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i've never quite understood putting loud mufflers on trucks

but no, never heard of the website

7/21/2008 2:25:15 AM

datman
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its not loud......its about giving it a deep sound rather than plane old car engine sound

i never understood why people make rice burners and the sound that comes from them.

7/21/2008 2:28:39 AM

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it's called http://www.youtube.com

or, http://www.mytrucksbrandandmodel.com/forums

[Edited on July 21, 2008 at 2:58 AM. Reason : wwwwww]

7/21/2008 2:58:16 AM

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^^ right, because i'm a ricer

let me clarify: i've never understood making a car louder for negligible performance gains, especially in a vehicle where increased horsepower is basically pointless to begin with.

7/21/2008 3:00:35 AM

datman
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i never said you did

i was just relating that some people dont understand what it is to have the sound of your engine going.
its actually wide spread because ricers and trucks both want the sound, its just different sounds.

its not negligible to get flowmasters that will deepen the sound of my truck while it also helps the engines efficiency. there are beneficial reasons to get better mufflers that also create a sound that you like.
now how is an increase in horsepower pointless?

7/21/2008 3:27:08 AM

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because it's a truck, and if it runs the 1/4 mile 0.07 seconds faster, who gives a shit?

let's be real, here: none of that shit has anything to do with it. you put flowmasters on a truck because you like the way it sounds. i think that's fairly gay and a stupid waste of money, but hey...that's just me.

[Edited on July 21, 2008 at 3:32 AM. Reason : i'm not trying to be an asshole. i just don't get it. ]

7/21/2008 3:31:24 AM

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right because i race trucks on a track.

you have gay ideas if you think thats all its about. Guess you dont pay attention to mud races, tractor pulls, bog racing, rock climbers, and simple enjoyment of mudding trucks

now what do all those have in common: high horsepower engine vehicles
all those competitions of which a truck can be substituted and the right conditions be made for a good competition.

now if i wanted to take my 86' Mercedes 560 SL down to the track, yea that would be more important to increase time on a track.

not trying to be an asshole but you dont seem to know what your talking about.

[Edited on July 21, 2008 at 3:37 AM. Reason : if i gave a fuck about what you thought about vehicles, id have asked. i asked for a website]

7/21/2008 3:36:13 AM

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are you going to mud or bog race your truck? enter it in a tractor pull? if so, you need a lot more than flowmasters, and if you were that serious, you wouldn't give a shit about the sound of one exhaust versus another.

rockcrawling doesn't require tons of power.

recreational mudding doesn't, either (and is simply not that cool, anyway).



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"all those competitions of which a truck can be substituted and the right conditions be made for a good competition.

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That reminds me of something this chick would say:

7/21/2008 3:45:10 AM

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wow, your smart because you know everything there is to know about trucks.

you dont really pay attention to anything anyone says, let me make it clear for you because you seem to be to stupid to read correctly. Thats why your quoting that girl rather than making your own comments.

Trucks getting more horsepower is probably more likely than you or your friends putting more horsepower into your lil euro car. Adding horsepower is going to up my torque, increase gas mileage, and allow for me to pull heavier loads on trailers or in my bed. What you fail to realize is that adding a muffler is just one step in modifying a truck. If you think mudding isnt fun or cool, then fine. you obviously have a different idea of life. to each his own.

simply, it takes a large amount of horsepower converted into HIGH TORQUE that allows for rock climbing and extreme off-roading. If you dont know that shit, just shut up now and kill yourself.
I never said that MY truck was going to be bogging or tractor pulling or rock climbing either.
I ASKED FOR A WEBSITE YOU FUCKING TARD. I said I was trying to add a muffler, regardless of why I am, I asked for that. Not for you to give a comment that you think its stupid because your uninformed about trucks. I am not adding muffler tips, I am adding better products to my truck to better performance and if it is going to change a sound, I am going to get something I like.

Going into a field and just doing donuts doesnt take much more than a stock 4x4, but what I mean when i say mudding is not anything you would know about. You would have to read a truck magazine to understand and you must be stuck on cosmopolitans.

really, how did you become a marine. Guess we are letting anyone in now.
You dumb fuck

7/21/2008 5:55:50 PM

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This is just what i wanted to come across at work today...more asshatery

datman, you should calm down a bit. How bout trying out flowmaster's website, last time i was there they had sample sounds of the different mufflers they offered.

Im putting my money on theDuke866 knowing just a bit more than you about this. Maybe he is being a dick, but what he is saying is correct and will likely save you money as well.

Here's your website http://www.flowmastermufflers.com/sound.html so you can hear all your little muffler noises...because it matters sooo much.

If you do decide to put some after market mufflers on there, how bout do us all a favor. Go have your vehicle dyno'd before the mufflers. Then, dyno it afterwards. Post the results. Then you can go drive around and think that your truck is soooo powerful just because it sounds like a half stopped up sink trying to drain.

[Edited on July 21, 2008 at 6:47 PM. Reason : ]

7/21/2008 6:46:55 PM

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Quote :
"Adding horsepower is going to up my torque, increase gas mileage, and allow for me to pull heavier loads on trailers or in my bed. What you fail to realize is that adding a muffler is just one step in modifying a truck. If you think mudding isnt fun or cool, then fine. you obviously have a different idea of life. to each his own.
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Not in any noticeable amount
It will decrease your gas mileage
Not in any noticeable amount

What you fail to notice is the only thing you are getting out of an exhaust on a truck is a better sound and maybe some nice chrome tips. If that's what you want, fine by me, I love the mean sound of flowmaster's on a lot of V8's. But don't kid yourself.

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"Going into a field and just doing donuts doesnt take much more than a stock 4x4, but what I mean when i say mudding is not anything you would know about. You would have to read a truck magazine to understand and you must be stuck on cosmopolitans. "


I've known several people who were Camel Trophy participants, and a couple of people who do serious rock crawling. None of them give two shits about what their exhausts sound like, nor did they select or pay extra for "high performance" exhausts. They got rugged, dependable, and application specific solutions. Reading a truck magazine is hilarious advice though.

7/21/2008 7:13:08 PM

datman
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well i liked his comment that mudding is just not cool.

its funny you say that it will decrease my gas mileage when i have friends out of high school who became mechanics and use a dyno and work on cars for a living. they have shown me how their truck actually got better gas mileage, not a lot but a couple extra miles per gallon. i know it doesnt give the vehicle much horsepower but i was trying to explain that it will help performance of my vehicle and if im gonna get it, then im going to get something that sounds good.

if you want to believe duke knows more than me, go ahead. thats your call but i have worked on cars and trucks most of my life, mercedes to chevy.

yea, im sure those guys dont even really run exhaust systems but when it comes down to it, no heavy racing car will have much of one let alone a high performance exhaust. but i know u didnt just ask them anything. you are assuming you know what they would say.

putting in an exhaust system thats slightly better than stock, which i can get cheap, will be part of a process in which i can raise my horsepower by a large amount.
and yes, the torque would rise but not as much as the horsepower.
i know enough to know what works. ive helped build cars.


also, i did go to the sound clips but im looking for something else more specific that i described in my original post.
chrome tips wont be going on the tailpipe

7/21/2008 8:16:21 PM

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god you're a fucking idiot

7/21/2008 8:20:37 PM

Noen
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Quote :
"yea, im sure those guys dont even really run exhaust systems but when it comes down to it, no heavy racing car will have much of one let alone a high performance exhaust. but i know u didnt just ask them anything. you are assuming you know what they would say.

putting in an exhaust system thats slightly better than stock, which i can get cheap, will be part of a process in which i can raise my horsepower by a large amount.
and yes, the torque would rise but not as much as the horsepower.
i know enough to know what works. ive helped build cars. "


Heavy Racing cars sure as hell do. Because they don't care about fuel mileage, noise or cost. The more serious you get, the more custom they get. I don't have to ask them, and I'm not assuming. I've seen dozens of professional trail vehicles and rock crawlers. Guess how many are running flowmasters? 0. Guess how many are running stock, straight pipe, or custom built exhausts? Everyone.

You are wasting your time and money on exhaust if you STRICTLY doing this for performance. Spend your money on a chip.

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"its funny you say that it will decrease my gas mileage when i have friends out of high school who became mechanics and use a dyno and work on cars for a living. they have shown me how their truck actually got better gas mileage, not a lot but a couple extra miles per gallon. "


Maybe from replacing a 20 year old Cat with a new one. But you aren't going to see any noticeable fuel increases on a 15mpg vehicle. Maybe in a Toyota hybrid.

7/21/2008 9:25:39 PM

datman
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mine is 18 city and 24 highway

7/21/2008 10:29:12 PM

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on the fuel mileage debate, sometimes horsepower modifications will increase mileage. or at least not adversely affect it. this is especially true on diesels. if engine A isn't working as hard to do the same thing as its stock counterpart engine B better mileage can be the result. or, it could get worse... broad subject. the main point is factory components and controls are often times not even close to efficient. auto manufacturers aren't dumb, they know full well how to walk that fine line between making the oil industry happy and the government happy. in the process they're keeping the power level high enough to attract buyers, but still low enough to save themselves some warranty claims from joe blow redneck stomping the shit out of his chevy z71.

that said, like everyone is telling you a flowmaster is going to do jack shit but make a nice (or bad, depending on your opinion) sound. they're also not desirable pieces for supporting other mods. if you're really doing this for all the practical reasons you're listing, i suggest doing some more research on muffler designs. i don't know what kind of truck you have, but with modern stock exhausts having improved a lot, it's also highly possible there are several other things you can do before the stock catback really becomes a cork.

7/21/2008 11:20:56 PM

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"well i liked his comment that mudding is just not cool.

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well, I liked your comment about "how did you become a marine" (which should be capitalized, by the way), and "i guess we are letting anyone in now"...

Have you even fucking gone to OCS or boot camp, yet? If there is someone here with questionable credentials, I'll give you a hint: it's not me. I'll be pinning on Captain in a couple of months...I've done OCS (did the last week or two with rocky mountain spotted fever and pneumonia)...I've done TBS...I've done flight school...I've done SERE (had 102.5 degree fever and pneumonia through that sonofabitch, too)...I've done the centrifuge...I've done the FRS (my MOS school). I've run PFTs in the 280s and 290s. I shoot expert on both rifle and pistol (including 380-something out of a possible 400 points on pistol). I fucking fly jets for a living.

maybe you'll turn out to be the next Chesty Puller, but until then, I don't want to hear any shit from you suggesting that I'M the non-hacker.

I won't even bother with the automotive stuff you're posting. I think that's already been covered.

[Edited on July 22, 2008 at 12:55 AM. Reason : asfrasda]

7/22/2008 12:52:55 AM

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"I fucking fly jets for a living."

haha, man i wish i could just fire that one off at people sometimes. "yeah, well i fly fucking jets for a living...what!"

duke might have some compromising morales with the ladies (lol), but his qualifications/credentials otherwise certainly aren't lacking.

7/22/2008 1:54:06 AM

datman
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haha, knew that would get you fired up

my dad is a retired marine pilot and I am in the process of becoming one as well
regardless, i wasnt wrong but there was never a point to bring in what you thought of mudding or trucks in general, I asked about a website.

next time stick to the purpose

7/22/2008 7:26:43 AM

sumfoo1
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god i hate blowmasters...

look mah chambered mufflers so that my v8 sounds stoopid rather than snarly blub blub blub blub...

7/22/2008 7:53:21 AM

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1) purchase:


2) Read

3)...

4) Profit!

7/22/2008 8:04:26 AM

shmorri2
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"god i hate blowmasters"


I've got a flowmaster 50 series... And I like it

7/22/2008 8:45:26 AM

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I'm serious about reading that book - I bought it and read about half of it, there's discussion on chambered mufflers and their pros/cons

7/22/2008 9:00:00 AM

sumfoo1
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I had a 40 on my old wrangler and i hated it.... it sounded stupid with an inline 6 so i went to a dynomax and its much much much better.

7/22/2008 9:00:55 AM

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"Adding horsepower is going to up my torque, increase gas mileage, and allow for me to pull heavier loads on trailers or in my bed."


and add that loud ass RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWRRRRPPPPP as you floor it down the road.

c'mon man, be honest. with "added power" and the loud ass exhaust note, there's no way you or anyone else with a flowmastered truck gets better gas mileage. you bought the pipes, you gotta let everyone within a 2 miles radius hear 'em and that means stickin it to the floor. and BLACK SMOKE (yarr) if it's a diesel.

7/22/2008 9:12:01 AM

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just no flowmasters on a diesel, k thx.

7/22/2008 9:24:17 AM

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I like my car being loud. That is the only thing I'd say I'm obnoxious about. But it sounds good, especially wot, imo. Alot of people are going magnaflow/dynomax these days. Dynomax is just too "gargly" for me...

7/22/2008 10:05:57 AM

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There's more to exhaust sound tuning than muffler brand/type!

7/22/2008 10:09:37 AM

datman
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i just have some friends who have some sierras. one of them put flowmasters on, it sounds good but not outrageously loud, which is what i want. Just enough that if your near me you will hear it. but regardless of that, he checked it over and over and swears that he gets a bit better gas mileage. Only other things he has done, is get a K&N air filter (not cold air intake) which has saved him money and not just a paper filter. He got some flowmasters because he couldnt find anything cheaper.


if i was for sure that it was going to up my gas mileage by atleast 3 gallons consistently and give it a nice purr.......not a loud rawwrr. id do it. especially if i could get some after market or cheap discounts. but flowmasters doesnt have to be the brand. I just was looking to see about a site at first.

^I know its also about the tail pipe and angles as well
really i dont think im going to come out ahead besides having a sound change. so im probably not going to do it


[Edited on July 22, 2008 at 10:45 PM. Reason : .]

7/22/2008 10:24:19 PM

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Quote :
"Only other things he has down was to get a K&N air filter (not cold air intake) which has saved him money and helped his air quality just a bit."


Quote :
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7/22/2008 10:35:10 PM

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"a K&N air filter (not cold air intake) which has saved him money and helped his air quality just a bit"

absolutely not. k&n's can improve flow, but it's at the expense of decreased filtering. they're hardly any more effective than a piece of window screen or something.

7/22/2008 10:37:00 PM

datman
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ok, i was misinformed on that part

7/22/2008 10:45:48 PM

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if you really want loud pipes, just do it and not inform twwgarage about it haha

7/22/2008 11:56:28 PM

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Flowmaster is one of the most restrictive aftermarket mufflers on the market. Also, just replacing your muffler will do nothing for you but change the sound. If you are really serious, then you would be replacing the entire exhaust from the headers back.

7/23/2008 10:41:00 AM

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