i think thats another reason he is such a great politician...hes not thickheaded and he is willing to compromise


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/02/us/politics/02fisa.html

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"Mr. Obama ...supports a compromise hammered out between the White House and the Democratic Congressional leadership."

if he wins i am looking forward to seeing how he reaches out to the right...if he asked hagel to be VP and hagel accepted can you imagine the potential this country would have??

7/5/2008 8:15:56 PM

More like, Obamas ability to pander

It's just another of several issues that he has changed his position on since securing the nomination. By my count, he's changed his stance on NAFTA, gun control, the death penalty, campaign finance, FISA, and town-hall debates all in the past month.

I don't think you should celebrate the fact that he has altered his message so transparently in preparation for the general election.

7/5/2008 8:23:52 PM

NAFTA- i'm pretty sure we are not gonna get rid of this thing...i'm guessing we might tweak it some but thats about it...dont know what his position is really, dont really care
gun control- this is one of those things i could care less about, cause it doesnt affect me...dont care to know his stance cause i dont really care about the issue
the death penalty- death penalty is kinda like abortion for me...if it were illegal it wouldnt affect me, if it were legal it wouldnt affect me...dont really know what his stance is
campaign finance- dont care about campaign finance...just seems like one of those things that people talk about but doesnt really matter in the long scheme of things
FISA- doesnt affect me so i could care less what position he supports
town-hall debates- lol yeah i pick my presidents based on doing town hall debates

7/5/2008 8:34:53 PM

But Prawn Star - selling us up the creek on FISA, civil liberties, and the like just shows how good he is at compromising!

Compromising any kind of integrity he has, for instance. Or just folding like a lawn chair. You decide.

7/5/2008 8:58:04 PM

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"FISA- doesnt affect me so i could care less what position he supports"

LOL, then why did you make this thread?

7/5/2008 9:04:31 PM

because the thread is about obamas ability to compromise?


this is perpetual holmes, definitely not a one topic thread


again, thanks for trying

7/5/2008 9:06:12 PM

obamas ability to compromise? are you serious? he has the most liberal voting record in the senate and you say that he will compromise? if anything mccain is the one who has a history of compromising.

7/5/2008 11:29:21 PM

well as someone said the other day...its kinda funny that mccain is trying to sure up the republican base while obama is moving toward the center


cause americans are definitely not center...

7/5/2008 11:41:19 PM

ok that means absolutely nothing

obama: most liberal voting record in the senate != ability to compromise

7/5/2008 11:42:34 PM

Does anyone actually believe that Obama is "moving toward the center"? The initial awe associated with Obama's personality seems to be coming to an end, and he's appearing as a weaker candidate, at least from my perspective. I'm starting to have my own doubts about Obama being a shoe-in come November.

7/6/2008 12:09:46 AM

http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=528301

7/6/2008 12:28:01 AM

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"obamas ability to compromise? are you serious?he has the most liberal voting record in the senate and you say that he will compromise? "

Dont confuse them with facts. Just tell them that your honda gets 300 mpg and they will be happy in life.

7/6/2008 12:36:31 PM

the only thing Obama will compromise is his word.

7/7/2008 8:41:53 PM

and the constitution.

7/7/2008 9:52:03 PM

^^^ But McCain didn't even vote enough in 07 to be rated:

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" As for McCain, the magazine says that he didn't vote frequently enough in 2007 to get an overall rating. "

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/31/625886.aspx

What a great guy eh? He doesn't even care about his job enough to press a simple yay/nay button, but he wants to run the country?

7/7/2008 10:00:49 PM

LOL, moron. What has obama done.. really?

I know he talks about being a centrist.. but has he ONCE broke from his party and voted with the repubs? Once?

You know mccain has. He is horrible, but if you are looking for someone who has actually done something and worked with and broke from his own party, then you would have to give mccain the nod.. which wont happen. Even if he could shit crude.

7/7/2008 10:07:42 PM

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"LOL, moron. What has obama done.. really? "

He at least voted enough to be rated, didn't he? McCain can't say that.

7/7/2008 10:10:10 PM

yes he did. You can proudly say that obama voted enough to be rated by this magazine. And after all, isnt that enough.

7/7/2008 10:17:09 PM

I think wanting to compromise is a terrible trait in any individual. However, I still haven't decided who I'm voting for.

7/7/2008 10:18:54 PM

I think compromising in some situations is a good thing. However, talking about being able to compromise and doing it are two different things.

7/7/2008 10:32:45 PM

^ Obama has a good history of compromising when he worked in the illinois legislature: http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/25/obamas-state-senate-years-show-bipartisan-record/

He hadn't worked long enough in the national senate to really determine a clear trend.

It's pure ignorance or delusion to pretend that Obama has no record of compromise.

7/7/2008 11:10:21 PM

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"He hadn't worked long enough in the national senate to really determine a clear trend. "

THis is the attitude that scares me.

He hasnt done anything. He has passed two bills in the senate. 2, and impressive ones at that.

S. 2125, A bill to promote relief, security, and democracy in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
S. 3757, A bill to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 950 Missouri Avenue in East St. Louis, Illinois, as the "Katherine Dunham Post Office Building."

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/substance_abuse.html

7/7/2008 11:18:51 PM

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"if he wins i am looking forward to seeing how he reaches out to the right...if he asked hagel to be VP and hagel accepted can you imagine the potential this country would have?? "

I am VERY much for a cross-party ticket. VERY much so for it.

7/8/2008 12:22:35 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/liberal-bloggers-accuse-o_b_110371.html

7/8/2008 1:39:13 PM

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/08/obama-drilling.html

lol

8/4/2008 8:21:53 AM

"Pandering" is more changing your opinion based on who you are talking to than strictly changing your opinion. When you change your mind based on data and what you feel may be best for others, thats just a straight "change" or "compromise".

A better example of "pandering" is opposing Affirmative Action nationwide as a whole, but supporting it in your home state because it is popular. Its a good thing I just made that up, because anyone actually trying to do that might be the biggest panderer since Kerry.

8/4/2008 7:52:30 PM

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""

" As for McCain, the magazine says that he didn't vote frequently enough in 2007 to get an overall rating. "[quote]

8/5/2008 6:25:10 AM

Here's one for the books:

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"CNN "Drill here, drill now," McCain said Monday. (CNN) — Presumptive Republican nominee John McCain called Monday for immediate congressional action on the nation’s energy crisis, joining a call by his Republican colleagues for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to call legislators back from their August recess for a special session. The Arizona senator said he would return to vote on any proposal. McCain has missed Senate votes since April, including several involving major energy measures – one of which, a summer gas tax holiday, was a standard element of his spring stump speech."

Yes McCain, they should go back and vote on vacation when you can't even vote when you're not supposed to be on vacation.

8/5/2008 7:25:24 AM

^are you serious monky? I cant imagine what McCain must have been doing since April.

8/5/2008 8:58:55 AM

moving to the right while obama moves to the center?

8/5/2008 9:02:22 AM

Are you serious? Are you that drunk with partisan hackery that you would question Skank on that post? Give me a break.

You don't act holier than thou about calling people back from vacation to vote on some some bullshit

WHEN YOU COULDN'T EVEN MAKE THE VOTE ON A KEY PIECE OF YOUR VOTE GETTING PANDERING.


WHAT WAS HE DOING SINCE APRIL? ARE YOU SERIOUS?

8/5/2008 9:03:45 AM

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"You don't act holier than thou about calling people back from vacation to vote on some some bullshit "

Heaven fucking forbid we interupt the shitty house's 5 week vacation to have a vote on energy independence. If the bitch running things would have just allowed the vote to begin with it wouldnt be necessary.

Partisan hackery? STFU

THe gas tax holliday was a stupid plan, so is giving out some more "free money" or tapping the oil reserves. None of these are long term plans. They went on vacation without doing their job. Im at work, they should be too.

8/5/2008 10:45:38 AM

That doesn't address any of McCains hypocrisy. Them going on vacation is a completely different matter. McCain doesn't have a cain to stand on for this issue.

8/5/2008 10:49:01 AM

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" Heaven fucking forbid we interupt the shitty house's 5 week vacation to have a vote on energy independence. If the bitch running things would have just allowed the vote to begin with it wouldnt be necessary. Partisan hackery? STFU"

So we've been arguing about energy independence for 30 years now, and the bill at stake wouldn't do jack shit to lower prices for a good 10 years from now, and all of a sudden the difference in 5 weeks is what's going to make-it or break-it? give me a fucking break.

Now nobody like's what the House is doing nowadays, and I think the vast majority of Democrats would be happy to see Pelosi kicked to the curb. But to pretend like a couple douchebag senators taking a few days out of their precious vacation and, horror of horrors, giving speeches to an empty Capitol building (oh my god, the sacrifice of these men!) is some kind of noble and valiant effort is ridiculous

8/5/2008 11:16:30 AM

what is the hypocrisy? He is running for president.

Did any of his plans fail by one vote trole?

Them going on vacation while they blocked a vote then didnt allow the minority to speak is the issue. THem going on vacation doesnt get us anywhere closer to energy independence. He has every right to call them on their bullshit, and bush should force them back in. Call pelosi on this bs.

8/5/2008 11:19:56 AM

Chance likes to defend Pelosi since he's a regular reader of her blog

8/5/2008 11:23:15 AM

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"moving to the right while obama moves to the center?"

yeah, obama's decision to "accept offshore oil drilling if necessary" really makes me mad. you can't just turn moderate in the middle of a campaign.

8/5/2008 11:51:08 AM

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"So we've been arguing about energy independence for 30 years now, and the bill at stake wouldn't do jack shit to lower prices for a good 10 years from now, and all of a sudden the difference in 5 weeks is what's going to make-it or break-it? give me a fucking break."

That's because the democrats have been holding it up for 30 years. I don't understand how the left in this country has the gall to obstruct any energy progress for decades, then when it finally bites us in the ass, blame it on the current administration. Then, when people bring up solutions, you come up with this "it wouldn't make a difference for ten years" bullshit. I mean, seriously, what is the agenda here? The energy crisis we have today is 100% the fault of democrats, yet they attempt to shift the blame to someone else every day.

8/5/2008 11:59:30 AM

^exactly, it clearly demonstrates just how myopic and selfish the dems thinking is. If it wont help us for ten years.. then it wont help MY ASS in nov. is thier line. That is why they would rather send out some more checks.

Jessie, you are seeing obama move towards the center bc he needs to to get elected. Its what usually happens during both campaigns. Traditionally we are a center right country, with the parties usually being on the extremes. So they have to say one line while running for the nomination, then another in the general. The real bitch of it is figuring out what they really want to do. In obama's case I think his views are vastly more left than he is now trying to portray, so if that is your thing, i wouldnt worry.

8/5/2008 12:11:42 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzZNP4tTfV0

This is the awesome.

8/5/2008 12:16:00 PM

If everyone would fast for one day and lose a few pounds, that would put less weight on the tires, and therefore make your cars more fuel efficient, thereby preventing the need to drill

8/5/2008 12:32:23 PM

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"what is the hypocrisy? He is running for president. "

Rofl. He had the nomination sewn up early and then disappeared for a month or so while the Dems tried to tear themselves apart at the seams. He couldn't make it back for any votes during this period when he was chillin figuring out which snarky comment he was going to make next?

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"Did any of his plans fail by one vote trole?"

Regardless, he couldn't even be motivated enough to return to vote on a plan he hatched as part of his pandering to voters to win the nomination and perhaps the general in Nov? Stop making excuses for your hackery.

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"Them going on vacation while they blocked a vote then didnt allow the minority to speak is the issue."

It clearly wasn't the issue when your vagina bled all over the screen with this comment:

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"^are you serious monky? I cant imagine what McCain must have been doing since April."

8/5/2008 12:32:35 PM

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"Stop making excuses for your hackery."

8/5/2008 12:34:02 PM

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"That's because the democrats have been holding it up for 30 years. I don't understand how the left in this country has the gall to obstruct any energy progress for decades, then when it finally bites us in the ass, blame it on the current administration. Then, when people bring up solutions, you come up with this "it wouldn't make a difference for ten years" bullshit. I mean, seriously, what is the agenda here? The energy crisis we have today is 100% the fault of democrats, yet they attempt to shift the blame to someone else every day."

Will this 5 week vacation matter or not? That is the question to be answered, not this sad little strawman you offered up just now.

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"That is why they would rather send out some more checks."

You mean, more stimulus checks? Rofl.

[Edited on August 5, 2008 at 12:35 PM. Reason : x]

8/5/2008 12:34:22 PM

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"That's because the democrats have been holding it up for 30 years. I don't understand how the left in this country has the gall to obstruct any energy progress for decades, then when it finally bites us in the ass, blame it on the current administration. Then, when people bring up solutions, you come up with this "it wouldn't make a difference for ten years" bullshit. I mean, seriously, what is the agenda here? The energy crisis we have today is 100% the fault of democrats, yet they attempt to shift the blame to someone else every day."

You mean like how back in 1979, Jimmy Carter said that we need to cap foreign oil imports, increase our usage of solar power, invest in alternatives and public transportation and do little things to cut back on our energy consumption? And then Reagan came in and said FUCK THAT SHIT WE WANT CHEAP OIL BECAUSE WE'RE A NATION OF IGNORANT SELFISH PRICKS WHO ONLY WANT INSTANT GRATIFICATION, LONG-TERM CONSEQUENCES BE DAMNED? The only thing most Americans care about with regards to the energy crisis is cheap gas, and whether or not everyone realizes it yet, those days are gone and the longer we keep looking to drill our way out the worse it's going to get. But you know, maybe this all could have been avoided if we'd thought about this thirty years ago instead of forgetting about it as soon as OPEC let up. Oh well.

8/5/2008 12:49:13 PM

Oh snap.

Someone just played the Jimmy Card.

8/5/2008 1:06:53 PM

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"So we've been arguing about energy independence for 30 years now, and the bill at stake wouldn't do jack shit to lower prices for a good 10 years from now, and all of a sudden the difference in 5 weeks is what's going to make-it or break-it? give me a fucking break. "

I don't think you understand how speculation works.

It's funny how many people harp on about evil speculators and futures trading, and then turn around and talk about how it'll take 10 years before any drilling initiatives will have an effect on prices.

DO YOU NOT SEE THE GAP IN LOGIC, PEOPLE?

8/5/2008 1:11:22 PM

Jimmy would've made solar power cars that ran just as efficiently as combustion engines, since thats possible and all

8/5/2008 1:12:16 PM

Jimmy had some good foresight, but he fell into the same trap that Obama is falling into now: demonizing the oil companies and using anti-market initiatives to try to solve the problem.

Studies have shown that the price caps and windfall profits taxes of the late 70's only created more supply problems, compounding the crisis. But hell, lets try that shit again, right Obama!?!

8/5/2008 1:15:13 PM

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"You mean, more stimulus checks? Rofl."

ok dipshit, when were those stimulus checks passed?

Yes, they are considering more stimulus checks.

Also, The Big O wants give give everyone 1000 bucks to help with the cost of gas, he will fund this by taxing oil companies. hahah. How is this more of a long term plan than McCains gas tax holiday? He was right to call out that stupid plan, but VERY wrong to propose this one.

Funny, obama said he was for the free market, but sure loves to target those oil companies profits. Kinda wierd huh.

[Edited on August 5, 2008 at 1:44 PM. Reason : .]

8/5/2008 1:42:32 PM