It is finally coming, about 8 years too late Better late than never!

All car companies will be required to have a 35 mpg average by 2020. So seems like the big 3 German makers will really escalate the hp war in the years to come to go out with a bang before they are forced to produce smaller engines. Already Audi is soon moving from V8s in the S4 and S5 to forced induction V6s. But at the same time, they are making the 580 hp RS6, and soon coming out with a 525 hp R8 V10.

OK, back to the M7:

Quote :

"Come July 7th 2008 we will find out when the new 2009 BMW 7 Series is shown to the public, according to the fanatics of the Bavarian brand BMWBlog. There is something to be said about a 7 Series reveal on the 7th day and 7th month of the year...What else do these foreseers see a month and a bit ahead? A few things really, very interesting things. The first of these is a twin-turbo V12 engine, which we guess will be afforded the M7. Yes, the M7 is coming, finally, to instigate a case of power-theft against the 450kW, 1000Nm Mercedes-Benz S 65 AMG and a possible twin-turboed Audi A8 MY2010. At least 450kW is coming from this high-end ‘bahnbuster. As is BMW tradition, don’t expect M7 to boast huge capacity; it will rather be light for its size and pack a mean punch. M Power strikes back? Looks that way. But wait, there’s more. A twin-turbo V8 bomber expected to be the same as the one found in the X6 and the upcoming 405kW X5."

Wow... a 600+ hp 7-Series!

Click below to see some spy shots of the next gen 7-series:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080604.002/new-bmw-7-series-to-be-revealed-on-7th-july

I just hope the M7 looks as good as this rendering by Przemek Lis from almost exactly 4 years to date.




Check back on 7/7!

6/4/2008 8:55:17 PM

6/4/2008 10:39:51 PM

I always know this guy is going to use a lot of face's

6/4/2008 10:46:35 PM

Geezzz, BMW is really starting to crank out models now

So the question is when FI will start breaking into other M cars? Seems like the M division wanted to stay N/A as long as possible, but I guess its finally given in

Turbo M3 coming soon?


[Edited on June 4, 2008 at 11:23 PM. Reason : .]

6/4/2008 11:03:46 PM

Quote :

"All car companies will be required to have a 35 mpg average by 2020. So seems like the big 3 German makers will really escalate the hp war in the years to come to go out with a bang"

CAFE: Corporate Average Fuel Economy . I don't know the exact formula for calculating this, but there are people being paid a ton of money to figure out all the loopholes.

It's not the same as discussing say the base engine in the new Camaro, because the production numbers are higher. For example, you think the Ford GT or SVT Cobra has any real effect on Ford's CAFE? The fact is, unless the rules change, limited production cars with bad gas mileage are somewhat separate segment as far as fuel economy goes. The thing is, due to platform/engine sharing there will be a more indirect effect on higher end cars like this because of technology sharing among engines.

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"As is BMW tradition, don’t expect M7 to boast huge capacity, it will rather be light for its size and pack a mean punch"

Gimme a break, the 08 M5 I drove recently was somewhat of a pig (4000lbs) given BMW's older M cars. At 4000lbs, that should've been an M7. This new M7 will probably be even heavier, but unlike the M5 it will have the torque (throughout the powerband instead of the hopped-up s2000ish motor they put in the M5) to back it up. A twin turbo V12 should still be nasty though, no matter what you put it in.

[Edited on June 4, 2008 at 11:45 PM. Reason : .]

6/4/2008 11:40:24 PM

6/5/2008 9:28:20 AM

While I sadly agree about the piggish new BMW in comparison to those of old, BMW still tends to make cars lighter than the ones they're competing against. Compare the 7 series w/the S class for example...
Ahmet

6/5/2008 10:46:31 AM

honestly if I'm buying a car of this size its because of luxury and comfort. The power is a plus but it doesn't need to be lapping anyone at the track because it will never see a track day. So it doesn't matter how heavy it is as long as it feels powerful and has all the bells and whistles.

6/5/2008 10:55:25 AM

BMW sure does love going back on their word. When Mercedes started supercharging and turbocharging all their AMG engines BMW said they'd never go to FI, saying they prefer to stay N/A to keep drivetrain components lighter as well as have a more linear power flow. They also said they'd never follow Mercedes and make an "M" version of every model they have, that it'd only be applied to the most sporting models they have (also implied there wouldn't be an M version of the 7 series). I guess they got tired of Alphina getting the spotlight for the B7.

I don't realistically see an M7 version of the current 7 Series happening. The model is nearing the end of its production run, and thank God for that. Its the ugliest car that BMW's ever made.

6/5/2008 12:06:12 PM

tis pretty ugly

6/5/2008 12:11:53 PM

^^the newest revisions of the 7 series make it a really hot car. The taillights and headlights have changed drastically enough to make it good.

6/5/2008 1:13:23 PM

Quote :

"BMW sure does love going back on their word."

Car makers in general love to do that. So much time has passed since they said they wouldn't make and M7 that what they said doesn't even apply anymore. And then you have car companies telling blatant lies. Spy pics of the new Ferrari California have been circulating for about a year. Ferrari kept on denying they were making a new model spy pic after spy pic. Heck, they kept on denying it up until like a month before its release. Which means that if we believed them, then they came up with a totally new car in 1 month!

Yeah so, since MB has been going on the offensive for quite some time now, as well as Audi, I guess BMW thought it was about time they made an M7.

Quote :

" don't realistically see an M7 version of the current 7 Series happening."

It (M7) is for the next gen. Click link in my OP for spy pics.

6/5/2008 3:19:02 PM

^sorry I didn't check that link (work copmuter is slow). I was mostly just replying to your posting of that photoshopped 7 Series.

With the new 7 Series the styling can only get better! Hopefully it'll look like their recent 4 door concept sedan thats been making the rounds at auto shows for over a year.

[Edited on June 5, 2008 at 6:30 PM. Reason : k]

6/5/2008 6:30:24 PM

You guys are stupid........that is a E65 in the picture, someone just hacked on the M7 front tag. I by no means know all.......but I've yet to hear about a M7. I haven't heard of a TT V12 either.......doesn't mean any of those won't happen, I just haven't heard of it.

I think think this post is hilarious, especially since its all speculation anyways.......and you guys are already crying. It makes me feel like I am reading replies on a BMW board.

And FWIW, the F01 is so hush hush..........I doubt you will see a real picture of it until just a couple weeks before its released in Germany.....

6/5/2008 7:49:15 PM

Quote :

"I by no means know all.......but I've yet to hear about a M7."

one would think from your posting that you do know all and since you haven't heard about one then its simply not true.

6/5/2008 9:26:47 PM

^^i agree the only thing ive heard about the damn F01 is that its going to have a completely new bus system, big whoop


the idea of an M7 is a bit silly to me although i wouldnt put it past them at all, i just dont think it would sell, kind of like the 7-series individuals, ive seen one in person and only one. not to say they werent sold more widely somewhere else but if they were so popular they'd still be made, but you get my point.

and finally:

Quote :

"Gimme a break, the 08 M5 I drove recently was somewhat of a pig (4000lbs) given BMW's older M cars. At 4000lbs, that should've been an M7. This new M7 will probably be even heavier, but unlike the M5 it will have the torque (throughout the powerband instead of the hopped-up s2000ish motor they put in the M5) to back it up."

youre fucking retarded and you need to stick to a scooter. to put the M5 and an s2000 anywhere in the same sentence is as uninformed as it is blatantly retarded.

6/5/2008 9:46:24 PM

Quote :

"kind of like the 7-series individuals, ive seen one in person and only one"

i might be a n00b but whats a 7-series individuals? Or are you talking about a regular 7-series? I can't imagine you are since I see 7-series everywhere. Just as many as any other BMW on the road.

6/6/2008 12:12:18 AM

I was going to make a larger post to point out all of the fucking idiots in this thread, but I remembered this is TWW.

6/6/2008 12:22:36 AM

^^yeah wtf is a 7 Series individual, lol.

^true.

6/6/2008 12:38:47 AM

individual means you can specify exterior and interior colors other than what is offered normally.

for example you can order a dakar yellow M5. newer M3 and M5 do not have individual program available anymore, but in past they did (talking about US, in europe it is still available). bmw now offers it on new 7 series for US buyers.

in europe they also offer individual program for new 3-series with stunning color combos. you can see what colors they offer.

http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicles/3series/coupe_individual/09_2007/visualizer.html

in past it used be a $2000 option. well worth it as people are now paying big money for rare colored E46 M3 in dakar yellow, techno violet, estoril blue...etc...which were normally E36 M3 colors. last week on ebay there was dakar yellow E39 M5. probably the only one in world. it was sold almost instantly.

[Edited on June 6, 2008 at 1:00 AM. Reason : f]

6/6/2008 12:56:57 AM

Quote :

"I was going to make a larger post to point out all of the fucking idiots in this thread, but I remembered this is TWW."

I think you did a great job on pointing out the one and only idiot in here.....YOU.

^actually all of that is still available. You just have to fly to Germany to pick up your order and drive it to the nearest port. Friend of mine just did that with his bmw. Of course waiting for the car to be shipped is a bitch...

[Edited on June 6, 2008 at 10:17 AM. Reason : .]

6/6/2008 10:16:34 AM

^european delivery is not the same as individual program. euro delivery simply means you order a car from US, but pick it up in germany. you get two weeks and temp insurance to enjoy your ride while vacationing simultaneously.

individual program at this point for 3-series and M-cars is only available in europe, meaning you have to order a car from european dealer. at this point, 7-series is the only series being offered with individual program in US.

[Edited on June 6, 2008 at 11:37 AM. Reason : f]

6/6/2008 11:37:03 AM

so its a unique color, whoop dee doo

6/6/2008 12:00:33 PM

Quote :

"You guys are stupid........that is a E65 in the picture, someone just hacked on the M7 front tag."

NO FUCKING SHIT!!!

Quote :

"I just hope the M7 looks as good as this rendering by Przemek Lis from almost exactly 4 years to date."

READING IS KEY.

6/6/2008 1:25:53 PM

What a bunch of queerbags. All of you will put down your Car and Driver magazines and die of AIDS soon.

6/6/2008 4:18:45 PM

hahahaha... pwnt.

next time, read. if you need lessons, i will be happy to oblige, at a cost of course

6/6/2008 6:28:14 PM

^^you should put down your outdated car and driver and pick up a book on the English language. Maybe then you can form coherent sentences.

6/6/2008 7:33:45 PM

actually to clarify on the individual program, it was only offered on the 7 series, basically you started with a 760Li and it had an entirely different paint scheme and the interior was a color you couldnt get in anything else, also all the trim was this high gloss piano-black type color and was really quite nice.

and it was a 10,000 dollar option, not 2...which was my point on why they didnt sell many and i heard the program had been disconinued but the one sold here in gso a week ago was a brand new car. not to say it wasnt sitting for a while somewhere, but anyhow the car cost 151k and it had every option you could buy


so the individuals werent so much just ordering a different color, its a whole car facelift.

6/6/2008 7:34:24 PM

^i said it USED to be $2000. it makes sense that it is more now. individual program doesn't change anything on chassis, no facelift or anything like that. it is always special order exterior/interior color only. everything else is the same. are you maybe speaking of alpina 7 series cars ...because those cars are different (lip, spoilers etc) than regular 7 series?

[Edited on June 6, 2008 at 10:44 PM. Reason : f]

6/6/2008 10:44:04 PM

^^so basically they're trying to copy Porsche.

6/7/2008 1:04:20 AM

bmw had individual program for like 15 years. i doubt they are copying anyone.

6/7/2008 1:06:19 AM

eh. Pretty sure Porsche has been doing it longer. Not that it matters. At least Porsche never developed anything as hideous as whatever was touched by the pen of Bangle.

6/7/2008 2:35:54 AM

bangle should be hanged.

6/7/2008 3:17:58 AM

Here is a teaser image revealed by BMW at some golf tournament. On top is the BMW Concept CS's front for comparison. Damn that mug looks so much better than the current model's!

7/1/2008 3:44:57 PM

didn't read the thread

cool i guess, but not sure i see the point in a high performance 7-series.

7/1/2008 8:47:20 PM

^^thats probably the f01 slated to come out in august/september

7/1/2008 10:02:11 PM

^ huh? the one in black is the new 7 series. read underneath the picture. that's a bmw ad. it will be revealed on the 7/7.

the one in blue is the BMW Concept CS that was shown a year ago ( message_topic.aspx?topic=473213 ). It will be produced as an 8 series in the next year or so.

what's the "f01"?


^^ just like there is really no point in a high performance S-Class or Audi A8.


[Edited on July 2, 2008 at 3:31 AM. Reason : ]

7/2/2008 3:30:38 AM

yeah, i just don't get it. the regular versions are more than adequate--who buys an ENORMOUS luxury cruiser like that with the intention of driving it like a sports car (aside from the fact that if you can afford one, you can probably afford a weekend toy to have fun in).

7/2/2008 3:45:47 AM

Why in god's name do you need a TT V12 in that thing. It's just gonna melt the tires to the road when you push the gas pedal, shit even with traction control. Mildly retarded IMO. Pisses me off for some reason. Sure it sounds cool to say that, but I know of many other ways to get the speed and power to the road other than what they are doing, course the damn thing is heavy though...forgot about that

7/2/2008 9:08:47 AM

^^Well Duke, a lot of AMG owners like being able to smoke 99% of the cars on the road on a daily basis, haha.

^Mercedes has had a TT V12 for the last 4 years. Apparently BMW wants a piece of the pie.

7/2/2008 2:46:02 PM

^^^Duke, the answer should be pretty obvious. Its because some people (me included) really can't drive anything that doesn't have some power to it and driving around a weekend sports car all week doesn't make much sense...so why not have a luxury sedan that drives like a weekend sports car?


I mean if I owned a GT3 and some luxury base model sedan...which do you think I would drive all week?

7/2/2008 6:02:34 PM

why not a luxury sedan, and a sports car.

it would be cheaper then that thing

7/2/2008 6:11:47 PM

^^ what i'm saying is that the regular one is no slouch.

and making a 7-series drive like a sports car is impossible. there is simply no way to kill two birds with one stone like you're talking about.

7/2/2008 7:53:47 PM

I'd die of happiness if BMW made all of their motors turbo'd. They are alot less complex. So in that aspect........to answer "why would they TT a V12?"..........cost. There is an absurd amount of technology into the N/A motors.......when they can just use the KISS method and boost it.

7/2/2008 10:08:26 PM

True that, and you get a lot more torque to boot.

7/3/2008 1:17:34 AM