Quote :

"If you had been elected President, we wouldn't have all these problems over all these years either. -Trent Lott"

Forced to step down as Senate Majority Leader

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"Nappy headed hoes -Don Imus"

Lost his job (although he gained it back)



My question is, where was Obama, speaking for the good in these men as he has done for Jeremiah Wright? Don Imus has a ranch dedicated to children with cancer and other diseases so that they can get a taste of cowboy life instead of dwelling on their terminal illnesses. Why didn't Obama defend him?


Trent Lott reached his hand across the isles more times than he should've only to have his hand chopped off at the wrists. Trying to make an old man feel good on his birthday is evidently a mortal sin. Where was Obama defending the good that is in Trent Lott?

Both of these men have their good sides, as I'm sure Jeremiah Wright has. Wright has a huge church dedicated to the concept of family within the black community, a drug and alcohol rehabilitation plan, etc.

However, I think Imus' and Lott's bad sides are MUCH BETTER than Wrights anti-Americanism and inconceivable bigotry.

Why the double standard? Why should we accept, as Obama would wish us to do, the good in Jeremiah Wright? That's not how things work in America. You say some stupid shit, you pay the consequences. Right Obama?

3/19/2008 9:10:45 AM

Inconceivable bigotry, huh?

I'm noticing a hyperbolic trend in this thread.

3/19/2008 9:15:06 AM

affirmative action (positive discrimination)

3/19/2008 9:18:51 AM

^^ Claiming that the american government created aids as a means of genocide against blacks and saying that too many black men are fighting each other which is the "wrong enemy" is MUCH MUCH MUCH more racist than wishing an 90 year old a happy birthday.

Not defending Lott... he should've been smart enough not to touch that subject...

Not defending Imus either... I'm just merely pointing out the double standard here.

Actually, I'd say that Wright's stance on AIDS is rather inconceivable and ignorant.

[Edited on March 19, 2008 at 9:26 AM. Reason : .]

3/19/2008 9:24:25 AM

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"Claiming that the american government created aids as a means of genocide against blacks and saying that too many black men are fighting each other which is the "wrong enemy" is MUCH MUCH MUCH more racist than wishing an 90 year old a happy birthday."

No, it isn't. Folks have already explained this. The fact that you try to spin Wright's comments about black-on-black violence as anti-white is telling.

3/19/2008 9:28:57 AM

Who is this mystical "right enemy?"


Wright could've said "black men fighting each other is unnecessary and wrong."

And I'd agree with that as I would a black man fighting a white man, two white men fighting, or a chinese man and an indian fighting.


However, the use of the term "wrong enemy" leaves it very open to interpretation.

3/19/2008 9:31:24 AM

Quote :

"However, the use of the term "wrong enemy" leaves it very open to interpretation."

Open to interpretation not does equal inconceivable bigotry. Yes, you could interpret it as calling for blacks to kill whitey. More likely, it's a call for struggle against what Wright sees a the oppressive US power structure. I heartily support this. The powers that be are prominently white, but that doesn't make the comment racist.

3/19/2008 9:40:26 AM

Quote :

""I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus," Obama told ABC News, "but I would also say that there's nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude." "He didn't just cross the line," Obama said. "He fed into some of the worst stereotypes that my two young daughters are having to deal with today in America. The notions that as young African-American women -- who I hope will be athletes -- that that somehow makes them less beautiful or less important. It was a degrading comment. It's one that I'm not interested in supporting." "

Barack Obama April 2007

3/19/2008 9:41:36 AM

wait minute?

are you telling us that Obama is a politician?

GET THE FUCK OUT...

i mean seriously, get a fucking clue

3/19/2008 9:47:30 AM

No, nastoute, you don't understand. This candidate transcended race... transcended politics... we were about to put a crown on his head and call him king of America.

What this has done, no doubt orchestrated by the Clintons, is made Obama MORE of a political candidate and less of someone who was above it all.

^^ Haha, great find.

3/19/2008 9:56:08 AM

Look Obama's either the Second Coming or just another smarmy politician...he can't be both.

You can't keep switching his status to fit your argument. Make up your minds plz

3/19/2008 9:56:29 AM

I never said he was the second coming. I said we were about to crown him. He's no longer larger than life.

3/19/2008 10:00:44 AM

Obama as a politician was very refreshing until the recent smears put him on the defensive. He's still the same man who brought out record numbers to rallies, record numbers to the polls, and raised a record amount of money in a record amount of time, by a record amount of individual donors. He inspired many people, and that is not a BAD THING.

So many people are trying to make him out to be a bad guy, but the fact is... he just isn't. I mean, God forbid I support a politician that inspired and led a large group of people to believe that through their actions they can make America and pretty much the whole world a better place for us and future generations to live in - rather than play on our FEARS and SCARE up votes like Bush did, and both McCain and Hillary are doing.

Fox News compared him to Hitler (well, peopleon their channel did) many times, just because he is a very convincing speaker. Was he trying to convince people to vote for him? Yes! Was he uniting people to fight/kill a common enemy (other than terrorists), no!

He IS a politician. What I like about the guy is he never once tried to scare a vote out of me, and he got where he was today spreading nothing but POSITIVE messages.

I understand that it's politics, there is more than 1 choice, and the debates for the most part have been civil. Vote for who you want, that is your right and your choice - but I think all the people who have turned this primary-election into a racial/religious fear-mongering festival should be ashamed of themselves.

3/19/2008 10:16:57 AM

hahah true believers are priceless.

3/19/2008 10:21:50 AM

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"Obama as a politician was very refreshing until the recent smears put him on the defensive."

Smears? It's pretty much legitimate which is why this story is sticking and Barack made a major speech on it. If it was nothing (like the McCain NYT article) it would've been gone the day it arrived (especially given the media SWOON over Obama).

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"rather than play on our FEARS and SCARE up votes like Bush did, and both McCain and Hillary are doing. "

McCain had nothing to do with this. McCain actually, which does not make me happy, refuses to lay blows on his opponents. Noble? Yes. But negative campaigning works... which is why people do it.

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"but I think all the people who have turned this primary-election into a racial/religious fear-mongering festival should be ashamed of themselves."

Like Jeremiah Wright... longtime friend of Barack Obama... who worked on his campaign even though Obama said:

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""I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus," Obama told ABC News, "but I would also say that there's nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude.""

/blindness

[Edited on March 19, 2008 at 10:22 AM. Reason : .]

3/19/2008 10:22:11 AM

i like obama

but right now he's third on my list

he's got some work to do to get my vote

3/19/2008 10:23:33 AM

Little is more dangerous than the mobile vulgus inspired by a personality instead of an ideal.

3/19/2008 10:23:45 AM

Quote :

"McCain had nothing to do with this. McCain actually, which does not make me happy, refuses to lay blows on his opponents. Noble? Yes. But negative campaigning works... which is why people do it."

/blindness

3/19/2008 10:25:11 AM

McCain has had nothing but positive things to say about BO and he has refused, several times, to bash him over Wright.

These are facts terp. Unless you have something to show otherwise, you will have keep your argument based in conspiracy theory.

3/19/2008 10:31:25 AM

^ Haha, thank you. McCain has said ALMOST NOTHING ill towards Obama or Hillary. That's just the fact, which terpball is allergic to.

3/19/2008 10:34:06 AM

Quote :

"McCain has had nothing but positive things to say about BO and he has refused, several times, to bash him over Wright. These are facts terp. Unless you have something to show otherwise, you will have keep your argument based in conspiracy theory. "

Please show me where I said McCain bashed Obama on Wright, I said this:

Quote :

"rather than play on our FEARS and SCARE up votes like Bush did, and both McCain and Hillary are doing."

Just another case of you trying to spin my words, or seeing what you WANT to see.

It wouldn't make sense to for McCain to say anything abotu Wright with Hagee and Parsley (his spiritual leader) in the mix.

My point was the fact that they were insinuating Obama couldn't handle a NATIONAL CRISIS, and knows nothing about foreign policy - a platform they are both running on against Obama to try to scare votes away from him.

^ Oh I'm allergic to facts huh? Am I the one putting up false facts like what you were doing yesterday? Or was I the one straightening your mess out? Get it right.


[Edited on March 19, 2008 at 10:43 AM. Reason : ]

3/19/2008 10:41:43 AM

He can't!


He's had ZERO experience!


THat's not scaring up the vote! That's a freakin fact!

[Edited on March 19, 2008 at 10:43 AM. Reason : ^ oh so sry, you replaced effective with marginal. And I said thank you for the correction.]

3/19/2008 10:43:24 AM

No, it's scaring up the vote - who are you to say that Obama couldn't handle teh situation BETTER than those other two? Bush had experience, experience obviously isn't the key factor here. Maybe Judgement is, something both McCain and Clinton lack.

So, yes, they are trying to scare up the votes.

^Yeah, right, you fail to mention that how different the two are - if anyone believed he'd raise the EFFECTIVE tax to 50% of course they wouldn't vote for him. You were trying to spread lies.

3/19/2008 10:47:31 AM

^ Bush did not have experience! That was one of his downfalls! He was a governor for 8 years, but that doesn't include foreign policy.

3/19/2008 10:50:11 AM

Fine, good point. Dick Cheney have experience? Yeah, a LOT. I think the war was mostly his - I'm glad Obama commonly refers to is as Bush and Cheney's war. Shit, Cheney's Halliburton stock and profits shot WAY the fuck up after the war started so I'd say it was definitely more Dick than Bush.

My point still stands.

3/19/2008 10:58:08 AM

Glad to see you get your talking points from MoveOn.org.

3/19/2008 11:00:01 AM

I don't know what the fuck that is - Anyway, I guess this means I win again.

3/19/2008 11:01:34 AM

play dumb. That's a winning solution.

Example:

Quote :

"I never sat in church when Rev. Wright made those speeches."

Oops.

Quote :

"Did I ever hear Rev. Wright make controversial remarks that I deeply disagree with? Yes."

Shut the fuck you. You have that shit bookmarked.

3/19/2008 11:05:00 AM

Quote :

" Cheney's Halliburton stock and profits shot WAY the fuck up after the war started "

I believe Cheney had to lose his interest in his stocks before taking office. fyi


"However, before entering office in 2001, Cheney bought an insurance policy that guaranteed a fixed amount of deferred payments from Halliburton each year for five years so that the payments would not depend on the company's fortunes.[26] He is legally bound by an agreement he signed which turns over power of attorney to a trust administrator to sell the options at some future time and to give the after-tax profits to three charities. The agreement specifies that 40% will go to the University of Wyoming (in Cheney's home state), 40% will go to George Washington University's medical faculty to be used for tax-exempt charitable purposes, and 20% will go to Capital Partners for Education. The agreement states that it is "irrevocable and may not be terminated, waived or amended," preventing Cheney from taking back the options at a later date."

3/19/2008 11:09:13 AM

LOL, this game is easy. You people just rely on your talking points a wee bit too much.

3/19/2008 11:10:34 AM

I can't quite decide which makes me laugh harder, you making a big deal about what a preacher said or you trying to compare Trent Lott and Don Imus to said preacher.

I mean really, why don't we go ahead and roast obama for not coming out in support for Pinochet and Noriega as well? Both helped American right wing causes for quite some time.

3/19/2008 11:16:02 AM

that's all you got?

3/19/2008 11:18:31 AM

Dude you used Trent Lott and Don Imus in the same column in a comparison.

Why don't you go ahead and make a thread about how the moon landing was a hoax and how Gubment planned 9/11 while you're at it.

3/19/2008 11:25:45 AM

I don't have to, I ordered Rev. Jeremiah Wright's DVDs.

3/19/2008 11:33:16 AM

Dude you are a hapless loser. Hell bent really, and it's laughable.

3/19/2008 11:35:39 AM

Sing along: WHEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY INTELLIGENT RESORT TO AD HOMINEM! WHEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY INTELLIGENT RESORT TO AD HOMINEM!

3/19/2008 11:36:40 AM

I mean I get that you think Wright is a nutjob but the question burning in my mind is why do you care?

He's a preacher.

He has to believe in baseless shit as per his job requirement.

You don't see me complaining about the general goofyness of clowns.

3/19/2008 11:37:53 AM

^ Yes, but I would be just as critical of Obama if he were deeply associated with Steven King's IT clown. That's what I care about.

3/19/2008 11:44:26 AM

My clown analogy completely flew over your head.

3/19/2008 11:46:07 AM

No I got it, but your analogy falls short of the 50 IQ level.

I don't care what hte preacher preaches, but the association that he has with Obama. WRight can do whatever he wants vis a vis the 1st amendment... But I also have the right to criticize those who have associations with Wright.

3/19/2008 11:47:16 AM

Quote :

"there's nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group"

staff != spiritual advisor

3/19/2008 11:47:37 AM

He was on staff, btw... just to clear it up. I know twista is having fun with it and being sarcastic

3/19/2008 11:48:35 AM

Wright actually was on Obama's staff? I posted that Barack quote and story link last night and didn't get much feedback...but I assume Wright is still "working" for Obama? Just seems like another case of a double standard

3/19/2008 11:53:23 AM

Thats pretty ironic of you Oeuvre.

Ron Paul had some pretty unflattering racial comments in the early 90's and late 80's and coupled with the Stormfront endorsement which Paul didn't really ever denounce.

Yet you still supported him, no?

3/19/2008 11:58:57 AM

i wonder how long we will be in iraq if mccain is elected

3/19/2008 12:01:05 PM

Quote :

"sing along: WHEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY INTELLIGENT RESORT TO AD HOMINEM! WHEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY INTELLIGENT RESORT TO AD HOMINEM!"

OK


You're a hapless loser, do dee doo dee do dah!
You're a laughable slurpin' chap! ? do dah!
dismissive obsessive conceit do dah!
silly soap box posturing and posting jihad against Obama! do dee do do dee doo do!
whoopsy daisy do dee dah do do de dah!!!

[Edited on March 19, 2008 at 12:05 PM. Reason : ]

3/19/2008 12:04:15 PM

Obama, like all politicians, if not everybody in the entire world, behaved hypocritically.

[/thread]

3/19/2008 12:14:28 PM

The guy is Obama's close friend and spiritual advisor. Seems reasonable that Obama would be more likely to defend him than a couple of closet-racist white dudes with whom he has no association.


[Edited on March 19, 2008 at 12:42 PM. Reason : .]

3/19/2008 12:36:52 PM

what about this?

Quote :

""I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus," Obama told ABC News, "but I would also say that there's nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude." "He didn't just cross the line," Obama said. "He fed into some of the worst stereotypes that my two young daughters are having to deal with today in America. The notions that as young African-American women -- who I hope will be athletes -- that that somehow makes them less beautiful or less important. It was a degrading comment. It's one that I'm not interested in supporting.""

3/19/2008 12:49:19 PM

Quote :

"On his campaign bus recently, Sen. John McCain told reporters, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live.""

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/hongop.shtml

If McCain can get past that, Obama should be able to survive this current controversy. McCain didn't lose his job for the racist remarks.

3/19/2008 12:55:51 PM