I had an aweful time this semester in CH 201 with Warren so I dropped it and I'm gonna take it in the summer. I hear that it's a lot easier over the summer. Anybody have any experience with a summer CH 201?

3/12/2008 8:03:47 PM

^ I wouldn't recommend SSI then.

3/12/2008 8:30:14 PM

honestly no matter what the material is, summer session 1 classes will always be recommended by me....i love them shits

[Edited on March 12, 2008 at 8:48 PM. Reason : one month is way cooler than like 3.5 months]

3/12/2008 8:41:24 PM

heheh


the material is not going to change depending on when you take it. were you conscious during chem in high school?

3/12/2008 8:49:50 PM

I'm pretty sure Warren teaches it in the summer too =P

CH201 is one of those classes where you have to put the time in, nobody will curve your way out of it.

3/12/2008 10:09:06 PM

if anything I would think it would be harder in the summer...

3/13/2008 8:32:12 AM

hmm, oh well. I think it'll help that that'll be my only class so I can focus just on chemistry and put the time in.

3/13/2008 9:21:00 AM

seriously...i mean the shit is done in like 25 days...who'd want to take a boring ass course like that over months is beyond me

3/13/2008 9:49:29 AM

maybe try neyhart? if hes teaching it in the summer that is

3/13/2008 9:50:12 AM

i took it in the summer and did a lot better than the first time around. warren wasn't teaching it in the summer when i took it (like 4 years ago or something)

3/13/2008 10:12:18 AM

CH201 is actually a pretty intense course. For some students, taking it in the summer is just asking for trouble. For others, its better to take it in the summer. It just depends on your confidence with general chemistry, your experience in summer courses (ex: being familiar with the fast pace) and your time availability.

As it is, many people fail CH201 in fall/spring because of the amount of material and the lack of experience "thinking and analyzing problems quantitatively". I would advise that if you are that person, its best left for the fall/spring semester where you can have time to develop those skills. If you are already confident in your analytical and quantitative problem solving abilities and just prefer a different style lecture, then summer session would probably be a good move. I wouldn't go in expecting "easier" however.

Thats just me-- I'm a chemistry major, graduating in December. If you want, feel free to PM me. Good Luck whatever route you go!

3/13/2008 1:23:32 PM

hey that great gazoo person is professor warren btw...pm that dude for some info

3/13/2008 3:28:47 PM

take it in the summer is a lot better

3/24/2008 10:59:00 PM

If you take it over the summer, promise yourself to spend 10h/week studying either in the tutorial center or with a private tutor, unless you are somehow disciplined enough to study on your own (i wasnt). That will pretty much guarantee 100's on all of your homeworks and A's on your exams. It sounds like a lot of time but if it's your only class it's not that bad. Plus I don't know if the same rule applies but when I was a freshman they recommended students study 3hrs/week for every 1hr they were in a class. CH202 is a 3hr course i think, so thats like 9hrs/week outside studying. A good tutor is usually $20/hr but I bet you can negotiate if you pay him a nice chunk upfront for 4 weeks of his/her time. Sucks having to shell out money like that but trust me, having a 4.0 in your classes is worth a lot of $$ down the road if you ever look at Grad School/Med School or want to have a nice job. Well worth it, IMO

3/26/2008 2:05:36 PM

^ I don't think you'll have to spend 10 hrs a week with a tutor or in a tutorial center. The material isn't too bad, and the test questions are very similar to the homework questions. Do the webassign problems, if you understand them you're set. If not, work extra problems from the back of the book (I imagine that Wertz's book is still in use) and your bases are covered.

The nice thing about a summer course is that you don't have breaks to forget things so you should be fine. If Dr. Warren is teaching it, if you ever have questions, go ask him. He's a very approachable guy and always willing to help one on one.

3/27/2008 7:23:37 AM

well maybe not for some people, but I think if you want an A+ in the course, you should set a goal pretty close to what I said. The OP obv didn't do so hot the first go around, so I'm encouraging the extra study time to do better. Many people get it first time no problem, some people take a little more practice

for me I could usually 'get it' first time, but if I wanted to not forget anything, I'd need to do extra homework problems like in the back of the book to retain until test time. It always suprises me how much I can forget from the point I hear it in the lecture to the time I do my HW. Who knows how much I forget between HW and test time, or never learned for that matter.

just based on what the guy said, i think he'll need about 10hrs. And really, that's not that bad. 2hrs/day outside of class. I've taught/tutored a bunch of 101/201 kids, and from what I can tell the majority of kids who struggle usually aren't putting in the minimum effort it takes to do well in class. I say if it's his only summer class, make the most of it, get the most out of it.

3/28/2008 9:53:46 AM