looks like a mega trade...

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"Jason Kidd has quietly -- and not so quietly -- hoped for a trade to the Dallas Mavericks all season. No Kidding Around Jason Kidd, despite being a month away from turning 35, is still producing at a high level. Only two others, Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson, have met his averages (below) over the course of a season, and they did so in their early- and mid-20s. Kidd by the numbers Career 2007-08 Points 14.3 11.3 Assists 9.2 10.4 Rebounds 6.7 8.1 FG Pct. 40.1 *36.6 *Career worst Those hopes are about to realized, according to NBA front-office sources. Sources told ESPN.com that the Mavericks and Nets on Wednesday reached an agreement in principle on a Kidd deal after talks had seemingly stalled last week, moving the teams to brink of completing the NBA's third blockbuster deal of the month. Although sources say that the teams are still sorting out final details, this deal was described as "imminent" by multiple sources close to the process after negotiations moved to an advanced stage Tuesday night. The deal -- salvaged from talks on a three-way trade with Portland that developed and fizzled quickly two weeks ago -- has Dallas sending 24-year-old point guard Devin Harris, veteran swingman Jerry Stackhouse, the expiring contracts of center DeSagana Diop and swingman Devean George and guard Maurice Ager to New Jersey for Kidd and forward Malik Allen. Sources say Dallas will also add the league-maximum $3 million in cash and send its first-round draft pick this June as well as a first-rounder in 2010. The Nets are expected to buy out Stackhouse's contract immediately, which could enable him to re-sign with Dallas if he waits 30 days, and ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard reports that the Nets and the Mavs are likewise poised to complete a separate trade that will send swingman Antoine Wright to Dallas for a future second-round pick. Dallas has been widely considered the most likely winner of the Kidd trade sweepstakes, despite the repeated attempts of Mavericks owner Mark Cuban to publicly dismiss the idea of parting with multiple regulars for Kidd. Cuban told several New York-based reporters Sunday before New Jersey beat Dallas that a deal for All-Star floor leader would severely weaken his roster. "For us to make the numbers work in a deal like that, we'd have to trade away half the team," Cuban said. "We're not doing that, so it just doesn't work. And we like our team. We've got a lot of room for improvement and we hope to get better. But right now, I just don't see anything happening. Yet sources close to the process insist that the talks have heated up in the past 24 hours, with the Mavs still tantalized by the prospect of bringing Kidd back more than a decade after the pre-Cuban regime drafted him out of Cal, watched him share rookie of the year honors with Grant Hill in 1994-95 and then traded him to Phoenix on the day after Christmas in 1996. The Mavs' biggest reservation, though, isn't sacrificing Harris. Sources maintain that Dallas, while reluctant to part with one of Cuban's favorite players and its point guard of the future after signing Harris to a contract extension over the summer, has been resigned for some time to losing Harris if it meant getting Kidd back. The greater hesitation, sources said, is that they would also have to part with Stackhouse and Diop, weakening Dallas' depth. Even if the Nets do waive Stackhouse as expected and Dallas is able to re-sign him after a 30-day wait, losing Diop is a significant blow, as that leaves the inconsistent Erick Dampier as the Mavericks' only veteran center at a time when potential playoff foes like the Los Angeles Lakers (Pau Gasol) and Phoenix Suns (Shaquille O'Neal) are getting bigger. But Dallas appears more motivated than ever in spite of those concerns and the current lack of a third team to join in and broaden the trade, believing that Kidd -- although he turns 35 in March and is threatening to establish a new career low with his 36.7 percent shooting from the field -- is still a prime source of leadership and mental toughness. Kidd displayed those qualities in abundance during a strong summer with Team USA and those areas are well-chronicled weak spots for the Mavs, who followed up a historic collapse to Miami in the 2006 NBA Finals with a first-round flameout against Golden State after winning 67 games last season. A point guard of Kidd's caliber, influence and experience would undoubtedly please the demanding Avery Johnson, reinvigorate a team that has been lacking energy and confidence and supply Dallas' coach with a dangerous four-man core of Kidd, Josh Howard, Jason Terry and reigning MVP Dirk Nowitzki. Nowitzki is the player Kidd has had in mind when privately telling associates in recent months that he hoped to go back to Dallas. Although his desire to leave New Jersey had been suspected all season, Kidd didn't go public with that wish until late January, when he told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher that it's time for him and New Jersey "all to move on" in separate directions. Kidd was acquired by the Nets in the 2001 offseason in a trade with Phoenix featuring Stephon Marbury and sparked New Jersey to the most successful period in the team's NBA history, starting with back-to-back trips to the NBA Finals in 2002 and 2003. After giving strong consideration to signing with San Antonio in the summer of 2003, Kidd elected to stay with the Nets. During the past four-plus seasons, however, New Jersey has not advanced past the second round of the playoffs, despite the 2004 arrival of Vince Carter and Kidd's successful recovery from microfracture knee surgery. The Nets were prepared to deal Kidd to the Lakers at the trade deadline last season but pulled out of the deal when the Lakers refused to part with center Andrew Bynum, who has since blossomed. This deal would give them a highly rated point guard who's 10 years younger than Kidd and three cap-friendly contracts if the Mavericks indeed include Ager. The Nets could come away with even more salary-cap relief if the Mavericks built their trade package around Harris and a signed-and-traded Keith Van Horn. Although he has been out of the game since the end of the 2005-06 season, Van Horn hasn't filed official retirement papers with the league, allowing Dallas to retain his rights. And because Van Horn's final NBA salary was nearly $16 million, Dallas can re-sign him for a substantial amount and thus create a lucrative expiring contract for the Nets, because only the first year of a contract must be guaranteed in a sign-and-trade arrangement. Cuban, though, told ESPN.com last week that "we won't use [Van Horn] in any deal for anyone." That's because Kidd would cost the Mavericks nearly $40 million next season, thanks to the luxury tax, if they sent only Harris, Van Horn and salary-cap filler to the Nets. "

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3244102

2/13/2008 4:07:10 PM

2/13/2008 4:08:07 PM

Terrible trade for the Mavericks. I can't believe they'd actually give up Harris and Diop for Kidd.

Kidd isn't good in a halfcourt offense, he's effective on a running team which Dallas certainly is not.

Kidd also can't guard quick point guards which makes him a liability against Nash, Baron, Paul, & Parker.

They even gave up two first round picks as well.

What the hell are these teams doing? Everyone is panicking because the Lakers pulled off a good deal for Gasol.

2/13/2008 4:13:46 PM

que the Denver trade for Artest in 5,4,3,2...

2/13/2008 4:17:53 PM

I don't mind giving up Diop or even a couple draft picks...but Harris is a solid young PG...much younger than Kidd

looks like Phoenix and Dallas are like "WELL WE BETTER WIN THIS YEAR"

meanwhile the Lakers are like "well lets try to win one over the next few seasons"

2/13/2008 4:18:42 PM

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"Dallas sending 24-year-old point guard Devin Harris, veteran swingman Jerry Stackhouse, the expiring contracts of center DeSagana Diop and swingman Devean George and guard Maurice Ager to New Jersey for Kidd and forward Malik Allen. Sources say Dallas will also add the league-maximum $3 million in cash and send its first-round draft pick this June as well as a first-rounder in 2010."

is kidd really worth that much? i mean, i know he's good and all, but damn.

2/13/2008 4:18:56 PM

mike miller to houston plz

2/13/2008 4:20:02 PM

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"is kidd really worth that much?"

If Dallas wins it all this year, then yeah probably

But if they don't then hell no its not worth it

Same thing with Phoenix imo

2/13/2008 4:20:07 PM

Kevin Garnett to the Rockets!

Dwight Howard to the Warriors!

Lebron to the Spurs!

WHERE DOES IT END?!

2/13/2008 4:24:39 PM

its gonna be kind of funny when the Spurs come out of the West again

2/13/2008 4:27:15 PM

Lakers have the longest championship 'window' of the big dogs out west

Obviously younger teams like New Orleans and Portland could be as good or better than them in a couple years

But with the Lakers, their oldest player is Kobe at 29 and everyone else is in their mid or lower twenties

Bynum is probably younger than most people on this message board; he doesn't turn 21 til the fall

The Old Guard out West...the triumpvirate of Phoenix, Dallas, and San Antonio...probly each only have a few years left

and Dallas just shortened their window significantly

2/13/2008 4:29:45 PM

Phoenix is still in pretty damn good shape.

Its pretty easy to acquire a good PG when Nash drops off and they have a foundation of Stoud, Diaw, and Barbosa to build around.

2/13/2008 4:39:23 PM

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"its gonna be kind of funny when the Spurs come out of the West again"

2/13/2008 4:43:22 PM

I wouldnt say its pretty easy to acquire a good point guard...theres only probably about 6-7 really good ones in the whole league

They do have a good core with the 3 players you mentioned, but they will probably see some dropoff when Nash retires or his play begans to decline due to age

The point guard governs their style of play...when Nash misses a few weeks, they really struggle

2/13/2008 4:50:08 PM

Barbosa is their current backup PG although he plays plenty of late game minutes at the 2 or 3, depending on who is hot

I wonder if/when Nash retires if they'd try to let Leandro be their PG, or bring in more of a pure distributor

btw look at these two douchebags

2/13/2008 4:57:44 PM

srsly, nelson and dirk are douchebags

2/13/2008 5:02:57 PM

imagine if Nash had stayed all along...might already have a title

course they'd be matching up with the Shaq/Kobe Lakers still, who would probably eek out a win over the Marbury/Garnett T-Wolves

all just to beat the Vince/T-Mac Raptors in the NBA Finals

2/13/2008 5:04:07 PM

Yeah they brought in Banks to be their backup and he was a bust from day 1

I think in that system you need a pure distributor and I'm not sure Barbosa fits that bill

But they will always be relevant with that core...maybe not competing for the championship every year but they shouldn't fall any farther than 5-6 in the West

But no one knows...In 4 years the Twolves, Sonics and Grizzlies could be the new big three out West

2/13/2008 5:04:45 PM

behind the odenblazers of course

2/13/2008 5:06:09 PM

Oden/Roy/Aldridge Blazers, Jefferson/Brewer/Mayo Wolves, Gay/Beasley/Conley Grizzlies, and Durant/Green/Rose Sonics

Introducing your Western Conference semifinalists in 2012

2/13/2008 5:10:45 PM

This trade really does not make sense to me. I don't see Kidd being worth all of that. I just do not get it...seems like the Mavs gave up way too much.


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2/13/2008 5:46:47 PM

I can't believe how much the Mavs are giving up. Great trade for the Nets as they start building for the future and set up salary cap space.

Hope that Kidd leads Cuban to the promise land this year otherwise this trade is as bad as the Shaq deal.

2/13/2008 5:48:30 PM

^^^ who are the heat taking in the draft?

2/13/2008 6:14:15 PM

i figure the blazers will send roy and get the 1st pick (after finishing 9th in the west) and get beasley

2/13/2008 6:19:39 PM

^not gonna happen, they arent trading their team leader...not to mention they need veteran depth, not more young players

2/13/2008 7:48:51 PM

i sure hope the blazers don't draft the next kris humphries

[Edited on February 13, 2008 at 8:07 PM. Reason : lololllololoolool]

2/13/2008 8:06:08 PM

trade has been blocked by Devean George

2/13/2008 9:40:28 PM

this myth has been busted.

2/13/2008 9:56:40 PM

apparently Devean is smarter than the Dallas GM.

2/13/2008 10:03:11 PM

THE MVP HAS BEEN TAINTED

2/13/2008 10:08:41 PM

i mean, it seems like teams would want to build so they have opportunities for MULTIPLE titles, like the spurs and lakers, not blow their wad for a chance at ONE and then be completely irrelevant two years later

2/13/2008 10:30:49 PM

Well Dallas easily could be at the end of a few year title run, and instead they have blown it in the playoffs several times. Their window is closing, which means try to win now or be irrelevant in a few years anyway.

2/14/2008 8:37:06 AM

to tell you the truth Devin Harris isnt too far behind Jason Kidd right now. The Mavs still have a fairly young core of players (Dirk, Howard, Terry, Harris), so they have a chance to be good for a while

2/14/2008 8:45:37 AM

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"not gonna happen, they arent trading their team leader...not to mention they need veteran depth, not more young players"

i meant send Roy TO THE DRAFT LOTTERY like they did last year since it worked out and they got the 1st pick...not send Roy to another team

2/14/2008 11:19:16 AM

stupid trade for the Mavs

the Nets gonna get $texas for this

2/14/2008 11:58:54 AM

^^ well then you cannot grasp the basic rules of communication

2/14/2008 12:08:36 PM

i'm not the one who had trouble understanding what i said

any NBA fan knows the Blazers sent Roy to the lottery last year and got the first pick which they used on Oden

2/14/2008 12:14:58 PM

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"to tell you the truth Devin Harris isnt too far behind Jason Kidd right now"

If you base it on this season's numbers it would be pretty impossible to argue that Harris isn't outperforming Kidd.

NJ is ranked 25th in offensive efficiency while Dallas is #2.

Harris is a FAR superior defender, in fact he's one of the top defending guards in the league. Kidd is slow and a below average defender at this point of his career.

Kidd is shooting an all-time low FG% and his turnovers are high this season.

Harris on the other hand is money from FG and FT.

Kidd's rebound rate would be much lower if he played in Dallas b/c Dallas plays a slower tempo and has better supporting rebounders than NJ.

Dallas runs a ton of isolation plays for Dirk, so that also helps explain part of the assist differential.

2/14/2008 1:17:48 PM

haha dumbass Jerry Stackhouse could fuck up the whole thing by admitting there was a prearranged agreement for him to bought out by the Nets and come back to Dallas in 30 days

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" For the Mavericks, the trouble started when Stackhouse, 33, gave an interview to the Associated Press on Wednesday that suggested there was a plan for how his trade, buyout and eventual re-signing with Dallas would unfold. Stackhouse said that he was only part of the deal "to make the numbers work." What's more, he said, "I feel great. I get 30 days to rest then I'll be right back. I ain't going nowhere." Even if George changes his mind on Friday about agreeing to waive his "Early Larry Bird Rights" and accept the trade to New Jersey, sources said the league office will not immediately approve the trade. With angry rival executives across the league expressing outrage over Stackhouse's comments, as well as the NBA's own issues and suspicions with the comments, senior VP of basketball operations Stu Jackson is obligated to look deeper into the matter. "

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-stackhousesnag021508&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

2/15/2008 11:31:11 AM

2/15/2008 11:36:59 AM

rumor has it the trade is back on, with the nets taking trenton hassell & the contract of keith van horn instead of stack & george

the nets will still get harris, diop, ager, 2 first rounders, & cash & the mavs will get malik allen w/ kidd

2/17/2008 7:25:26 PM

it is still a terrible, terrible trade for the Mavs

I dont even know if I would give two first rounders for Kidd, let alone throw in the rest of the players

2/17/2008 7:38:27 PM

i thought after the george holdup, and everybody talking about it, the mavs would come to their senses about it not being a great trade...

o well, maybe they know something I don't, but this just looks stupid as hell from the mav's perspective

2/17/2008 7:52:46 PM