Anyone tried one? could you tell any difference in acceleration?

1/17/2008 12:02:37 AM

let me get this straight...you can not only use all of the power that bike has in stock form, but you need more?

1/17/2008 12:13:30 AM

waste of money.

the stock air filters give more than enough air flow for these bikes and filter well.

learn how to ride it to its limits, then get a K&n filter.

so in other words, u wont be needing one.

1/17/2008 12:39:11 AM

Is your bike stock? No mods? If yes, then you really won't see that much improvement unless you have supporting modes that take advantage of it. Stock bikes are tuned, mostly, correct by the factory. Your fuel economy will suffer if you just add k&n since it won't be tuned properly.

1/17/2008 1:37:16 AM

^ditto [Edited on January 17, 2008 at 8:11 AM. Reason : k]

[Edited on January 17, 2008 at 8:11 AM. Reason : kkk i hate dumb niggers ]

1/17/2008 8:09:44 AM

trying to smooth out the transition to the high powerband. I get a little lag before it comes in. Thought a k&n might be a cheap way to smooth it out.

1/17/2008 9:49:29 AM

with full headers, slip ons, power commander, ported and polished heads and runners on an fjr1300, swapping to a K&N picked up 3 hp at 6,000, but lost 7 ft//lbs of torque from 2,800 to 4,500, which is where that bike is a power monster,

so in short, unless you are running at peak power band all the time, which you have no use for on the street with that bike, then no, you wont notice a difference, it is however nice if you put a lot of miles on your bike not have to replace a $50 stock air filter every ten thousand miles or so

1/17/2008 9:50:36 AM

getting the bike tuned with a pcIII will fix the lag in transition. a k&n will not

1/17/2008 4:51:05 PM

^^^ it will make it worse

[Edited on January 17, 2008 at 4:57 PM. Reason : ]

1/17/2008 4:56:50 PM

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"$50 stock air filter every ten thousand miles or so"

That's true, but I haven't had the need to clean my K&N. Only one of my friends cleaned his filter after 3 years and even then, it wasn't really dirty. He was compelled to clean it. We really don't live in a very dusty environment.

I also agree, getting a PCIII would be a better mod 1st, even if your bike is all stock. It'll level the powerband a bit better.

1/17/2008 7:47:12 PM

concur with PCIII

or just leave it stock, as it's very good and far more machine than i'm sure you can even begin to put to use (and i'm willing to bet more than you really have any business with, without having ever met you or seen you ride).

1/17/2008 10:59:34 PM

^
ha ha Marine,
you forget,
I am a Cheif

1/18/2008 12:59:16 AM

oh, cool.

I don't mean that as an insult--it's just that a modern liter-classer doesn't need any modifications to be more than 98% of riders can really exploit, and probably more than a good 3/4 of riders really have any business riding. They've gotten so good and so powerful that you have to be a hellaciously good rider to put them to use at all.

i'm gonna go back to a 600 for my next bike (or maybe a "cheater" 600, like a Daytona 675, etc).

1/18/2008 2:31:09 AM

Your right. This bike has more power than I will ever be able to fully handle. I bought it 2 years ago and it is the first bike i've owned. Most of the time I don't know the front wheel is up until I feel it set back down.

1/18/2008 7:55:18 AM

You got a 1000 for your first bike???

1/18/2008 7:58:28 AM

yep,
No regrets either. Its all i've ridden so that's what I learned to ride. I knew I would be wanting a 1000 later if I bought a 600 first, so I just took my chances with the 1000 to keep from eating $ on the upgrade. I've been spooked a couple of times, but for the most part, no worries.

1/18/2008 9:05:15 AM

As long as you are mature, I'm sure OP is, you can start out on 1000's. It just so common that dumb asses start out on 1000 and end up wrecking right off the showroom floor.

Someone link the new sport rider video that crashes right at the dealership. Nevermind, found it. Here's a few:





[Edited on January 18, 2008 at 1:32 PM. Reason : vids]

1/18/2008 1:27:47 PM

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"As long as you are mature, I'm sure OP is, you can start out on 1000's. "

That is true, but it doesn't change the fact that it's a terrible idea.

1/18/2008 4:15:10 PM

yeah, steep learning curve.

1/18/2008 5:22:10 PM

^^^ Good stuff. Especially the Harley. Hate those things.

I took my 1000 through Tail of the Dragon and did ok, but most of the guys were riding 600s because they can twist the shit out of them without powering themselves off the road

1/18/2008 10:06:46 PM

a 750 is with a good rider will own a 1000! i mean the gp are 500 2 srk and they fucking rip! but just getting a 1000 for the first is almost sick But you seem to be doing ok so twist it

1/19/2008 10:13:40 AM

my next bike = sex on wheels

1/19/2008 5:20:48 PM

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"i mean the gp are 500 2 srk and they fucking rip!"

were......and your point makes no sense regardless

1/19/2008 10:15:09 PM

motoGP bikes used to use 500cc 2 strokes and had the power of 4 stroke liters.

1/20/2008 1:54:25 AM

The 500 GP bikes produced alot more power than even the 1400cc sportbikes.
My point being that you cannot compare any bike sold today to a GP bike. Its like comparing a Mustang to an Enzo, and even then....you can at least buy an Enzo

1/20/2008 4:46:28 PM

you can buy motogp bikes. There's been a few limited production runs from a few companies in the past. Don't think any of them were really street legal though.

1/20/2008 4:51:12 PM

a few being 2 and those bikes were so detuned engine and suspension wise that they would no longer be competitive. The only way to get a real GP bike is to be world champion and have it in your contract.

1/20/2008 4:57:47 PM

i was just about to page pnis to post here and tell this f00l to quit being a fucking cook

1/21/2008 3:38:53 AM

wasn't there one or two in the past that were auctioned off? 500cc 2 strokes that is.

1/21/2008 3:52:46 AM

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"Its all i've ridden so that's what I learned to ride."

i'm willing to bet you've just learned to tame it, not really ride it. starting out with something smaller isn't just about safety, it's about getting your skills down too. if you're always fighting the power, etc. on a liter, you're never going to learn to do everything else the proper way.

1/21/2008 3:56:44 AM

that's what i'm getting at

1/21/2008 8:59:48 AM

I almost guarantee GUARANTEE that you can not ride as well as someone who started off on a smaller bike and eventually moved up to a liter bike.

you are already making excuses of how 600's can have their weight thrown around more easily. when at the same time...600's dont weigh that much less than modern liter bikes.

and the 'gassing it and not worrying' theory shows ignorance as well.

1/23/2008 6:29:32 PM

^
Fact of the matter is I said nothing about throwing weight. I said they could throttle the shit out of them without powering themselves off the road. Hammering the throttle on a liter and hammering the throttle on a 600 are two completely different experiences. In tight turns, having too much throttle response can be an issue.

1/24/2008 12:08:33 PM

Quote :

"I almost guarantee GUARANTEE that you can not ride as well as someone who started off on a smaller bike and eventually moved up to a liter bike. "

1/24/2008 12:59:15 PM

its like comparing apples and oranges, you can bog it in 3rd gear into the turns and roll it wide open in the apex on a liter and use the torque, where you would have to downshift wind the bitch up and upshift on a smaller bike to carry the same speed through the turn and the acceleration coming out

1/24/2008 1:25:39 PM

^^
Secondly, I never said that I was an amazing rider either. I said that it is all I've ever ridden so that is what I learned to ride. If you ride a 600 then congratulations. If you can rip it up, cool.I bought a 1000 because I am 6'1" and and 215. I don't ride like an idiot so I haven't had any close calls.

That is all.

1/24/2008 3:05:16 PM

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"I bought a 1000 because I am 6'1" and and 215."

that's irrelevent. middleweights and liters are the same physical size, and any modern 600 has enough power to haul 215 lbs with serious authority.

1/24/2008 6:08:07 PM

215lbs? That's not even a lard ass. My coworker tracks his sv650 and he's 285lbs and still passes 600's and liter bikes regularly. He's been riding for more than 40 years and has 8 bikes though. The 1098 is his latest addition. Boy, its beautiful.

1/24/2008 6:29:01 PM

yep, and that SV has maybe 1/3 of the power of a modern liter

1/24/2008 6:32:10 PM

he loses in the straights, but he gains it back in the twisties.

1/24/2008 6:36:28 PM

what duke said.

i love when ppl are like 'im 200+ lbs i cant rock a 600. blah blah HTFU'

1/24/2008 7:08:06 PM

^
Stop being a bitch and get a liter then. Either you can't afford the bike, you can't afford the insurance or you like the way a 600 feels. Congrats either way. Ride your 6, be happy and stfu.

1/24/2008 8:39:52 PM

hey getta 6, learn how to ride.

1/24/2008 8:49:52 PM

^^he had a liter....

1/24/2008 9:01:46 PM

i have yet to see anyone in the triangle PUSHING a liter in anythigng but a straight line. and i have seen some FAST f00lz. get some common sense and stfu.

1/24/2008 11:28:48 PM

^I know about a dozen good riders in this area that push their liters to the limit. But they mainly just track and don't ride streets. They are also about 40+ yrs old.

1/25/2008 12:30:26 AM

yeah, r1pimpin is the only dude I know who actually pushes a liter. he's also the only person i've ever ridden with that was just flat-out faster than than I was on my GSX-R 750 (and he could outrun me with his R6, too...and prob with his SV-650 under the right conditions). Of course, he's probably wrecked at LEAST a half-dozen times (to my four).

C16H13N2OCL was pretty respectable on his 954RR--I didn't outrun him--but he never outran me, either. (he's wrecked a number of times, too).

Seeing a sportbiker who can actually ride is the exception rather than the rule, and I think even more so on liter classers (although the tiny minority of really good riders who DO ride 1000s are usually BAD ASS).

[Edited on January 25, 2008 at 12:42 AM. Reason : asdfads]

1/25/2008 12:40:57 AM

you need to get up with P Nis next time you're in town and have a bike in your back pocket if you want to ride with a fucking pro. ive seen that nigga on the track.

1/25/2008 9:14:39 AM

negros please.

holla at P Nis for more info

1/25/2008 9:16:16 AM

I weigh over 200 pounds so instead of a car, I drive a train. It's only logical.


I have 100 bajiliondy experiences with people who started out on smaller bikes (600 gp does not count btw) being able to handle themselves better on a bike than those who bought something big to start with. I even knew an old guy that had a 197x bmw that would smoke my ass an anyone elses in the twisties. I had a gsxr 750 at the time.

1/25/2008 9:39:18 AM