Hey guys. Considering a new position in my company, but it's in St. Louis (I live in Raleigh). What's everybody's opinion on the place, I've never been. I keep hearing the crime rate is HORRIBLE! But, I'm sure there's some good stuff, too, right???

11/19/2007 5:14:35 PM

Nelly likes it

11/19/2007 5:15:08 PM

Rape... I mean if you're into that.

11/19/2007 5:15:20 PM

nelly likes it.

^^ what are the odds?

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 5:16 PM. Reason : didn't even see his. although i did misspell it the first time =X]

11/19/2007 5:15:24 PM

you know it's no longer the most dangerous city in the US, right?

i say go for it

11/19/2007 5:15:29 PM

I'll rape you if you don't go.




How bout that.

11/19/2007 5:15:37 PM

east st. louis is the shitty part

and its totally different city. i believe its on the other side of the river

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 5:16 PM. Reason : .]

11/19/2007 5:15:46 PM

your mom's on the other side of the river

11/19/2007 5:16:45 PM

the midwest has great steaks

11/19/2007 5:16:58 PM

your mom has great steaks

11/19/2007 5:18:42 PM

Detroit just took over St Louis as the crime capital of the US - so GO FOR IT!

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 5:22 PM. Reason : ]

11/19/2007 5:21:43 PM

Was in newspapers across the country today - FRESH STORY!


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/fn/5313292.html

Quote :

"DETROIT — In another blow to the Motor City's tarnished image, Detroit pushed past St. Louis to become the nation's most dangerous city, according to a private research group's controversial analysis, released Sunday, of annual FBI crime statistics. The study drew harsh criticism even before it came out. The American Society of Criminology launched a pre-emptive strike Friday, issuing a statement attacking it as "an irresponsible misuse" of crime data. The 14th annual "City Crime Rankings: Crime in Metropolitan America" was published by CQ Press, a unit of Congressional Quarterly Inc. It is based on the FBI's Sept. 24 crime statistics report. The report looked at 378 cities with at least 75,000 people based on per-capita rates for homicide, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary and auto theft. Each crime category was considered separately and weighted based on its seriousness, CQ Press said. Last year's crime leader, St. Louis, fell to No. 2. Another Michigan city, Flint, ranked third, followed by Oakland Calif.; Camden, N.J.; Birmingham, Ala.; North Charleston, S.C.; Memphis, Tenn.; Richmond, Calif.; and Cleveland. The study ranked Mission Viejo, Calif., as the safest U.S. city, followed by Clarkstown, N.Y.; Brick Township, N.J.; Amherst, N.Y.; and Sugarland, Texas. CQ Press spokesman Ben Krasney said details of the weighting system were proprietary. It was compiled by Kathleen O'Leary Morgan and Scott Morgan, whose Morgan Quitno Press published it until its acquisition by CQ Press. The study assigns a crime score to each city, with zero representing the national average. Detroit got a score of 407, while St. Louis followed at 406. The score for Mission Viejo, in affluent Orange County, was minus 82. Detroit was pegged the nation's murder capital in the 1980s and has lost nearly 1 million people since 1950, according to the Census Bureau. Downtown sports stadiums and corporate headquarters _ along with the redevelopment of the riverfront of this city of 919,000 _ have slowed but not reversed the decline. Officials have said crime reports don't help. Detroit Deputy Police Chief James Tate had no immediate comment on the report. But the mayor of 30th-ranked Rochester, N.Y. _ an ex-police chief himself _ said the study's authors should consider the harm that the report causes. "What I take exception to is the use of these statistics and the damage they inflict on a number of these cities," said Mayor Robert Duffy, chairman of the Criminal and Social Justice Committee for the U.S. Conference of Mayors. The rankings "do groundless harm to many communities," said Michael Tonry, president of the American Society of Criminology. "They also work against a key goal of our society, which is a better understanding of crime-related issues by both scientists and the public," Tonry said. Critics also complain that numbers don't tell the whole story because of differences among cities. "You're not comparing apples and oranges; you're comparing watermelons and grapes," said Rob Casey, who heads the FBI section that puts out the Uniform Crime Report that provides the data for the Quitno report. The FBI posted a statement on its Web site criticizing such use of its statistics. "These rough rankings provide no insight into the numerous variables that mold crime in a particular town, city, county, state, or region," the FBI said. "Consequently, they lead to simplistic and/or incomplete analyses that often create misleading perceptions adversely affecting communities and their residents." Doug Goldenberg-Hart, acquisitions editor at CQ Press, said that the rankings are imperfect, but that the numbers are straightforward. Cities at the top of the list would not be there unless they ranked poorly in all six crime categories, he said. "The idea that people oppose it, it's kind of blaming the messenger," Goldenberg-Hart said. "It's not coming to terms with the idea that crime is a persistent problem in our society." The report "helps concerned Americans learn how their communities fare in the fight against crime," CQ Press said in a statement. "The first step in making our cities and states safer is to understand the true magnitude of their crime problems. This will only be achieved through straightforward data that all of us can use and understand." The study excluded Chicago, Minneapolis, and other Illinois and Minnesota cities because of incomplete data. "

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 5:24 PM. Reason : ]

11/19/2007 5:23:28 PM

lol @ nelly

11/19/2007 5:27:01 PM

well, he's obviously not been keeping it real

11/19/2007 5:27:50 PM

I actually moved from raleigh to st louis and have been living here for the past year and a half. I would say that it has similar downtown experiences (i.e. decent bar scene, but nothing like a major city like chicago, new york). I will say that if you are a baseball fan you will be happy because everything revolves around the fucking cardinals (I'm a cubs fan) so its a mini hell for me.

Cost of living is great, and gas is dirt cheap. The only problem is you are in the middle of nowhere. The city is fun, but don't expect to have the fun things in close distance like NC (no beach no mountains) but we do have the ozarks which is cool.

Finally and take this to heart, the great state of Missouri is starting the 3 year process of totally shutting down the main expressway that goes through st louis to the outskirts of the burbs. So if you plan on living outside of the city and commute to work beware the the cluster fuck is about to begin. If you want any more info you can pm me.

11/19/2007 5:55:02 PM

Stay away from the river and you'll be fine. It's not a bad city by any means, it's much, much bigger than Raleigh though. You'll be living in a real city not a large town with a bunch of suburbs sprawled around it.

I-70 is a permanent fucking disaster if you can avoid driving on I-70 downtown do. The weather is nice if you like actual seasons (again, unlike Raleigh). Lots of pro sports to see and enjoy: Cardinals, Rams, and Blues all call St. Louis home. I haven't seen it, but the new Busch Stadium is supposed to be pretty impressive.

Busch Gardens, Six Flags, Riverboat casinos, and some pretty good museums give you some other entertainment options. A lot of big tours stop in St. Louis. Chances are good that if a big name band is touring the US they'll stop in St. Louis.

Oh, and of course it's home of the Anheueser-Busch brewery.

11/19/2007 6:02:33 PM