I'm not posting the article because it's really graphic, but it involves rape and forced cannibalism -- consider this your warning if you don't want to read about stuff like that -- http://tinyurl.com/ywvomoDarfur, southern Sudan, Rwanda, and now this...sometimes I don't think it would be a terrible idea for them to start with a clean slate...(originally posted in the lounge)[Edited on July 30, 2007 at 1:04 PM. Reason : ]
7/30/2007 12:43:08 PM
7/30/2007 12:45:35 PM
its da white mans fault for enslaving da black man and abusing da resources of africadats wat kanye west told me[Edited on July 30, 2007 at 12:58 PM. Reason : ]
7/30/2007 12:57:23 PM
So what would it take to fix Africa?
7/30/2007 1:54:25 PM
oh, i don't knowabout 500 years
7/30/2007 1:57:00 PM
Ending of foreign aid to "governments" and stopping the weapons trade.
7/30/2007 1:59:55 PM
sorry, y'all.we're too busy looking for WMDs ... instituting regime change ... collecting accolades and flowers .... promoting democratic reform ... fighting terrorists ... stabilizing gasoline prices ... desperately trying to hold onto hard-fought territory in Iraq.you need to work out your genocide and war crimes issues on your own.Didnt you know, "Never Again" is just a catch slogan for bumper stickers and high dollar fundraising dinners?
7/30/2007 2:07:02 PM
^ you can't politicize suffering when both sides oppose it.thats why africa will never be a hot topic thats worth discussing to politicians.
7/30/2007 2:13:40 PM
no, you're right, both sides are working together to try and address the problems in Africa. GWB has increased the humanitarian aid distributed there a significant amount, four- or five-fold what we had been giving previously. Sen. Brownback (R-Kansas), is a fundamentalist Christian, and staunch social conservative, and happens to be one of the leading politicians seriously trying to end the genocide in Darfur.but the fact is, humanitarian aid only goes so far. food and medicine convoys are routinely hijacked by the Sudanese government and government-supported militias. we cant truly address humanitarian crises in meaningful ways (ie, boots on the ground) , because we've broken our budget creating a crisis in Iraq.
7/30/2007 2:42:39 PM
Could someone please post the actual URL? Tinyurl is blocked for me. Thanks.There was an article posted about Congo back in November of last year (I think in CC, or TSB), but I can't find the thread. I saved it, so I am going to post it here. Read the whole thing.
7/30/2007 2:43:50 PM
7/30/2007 2:44:48 PM
^ as for civil war combined with legal anarchy, the only solution is to arm the locals as heavily as possible. Nothing special, just give a single rifle to every household. A well armed village is unlikely to fall prey to roving gangs. As for economically... Impossible. Africa is broken because the people living there cannot manage to build or maintain the institutions necessary for civilization to flourish. Those institutions exist, somewhat, in South Africa. It's existence can be drawn upon to better the whole region. For example, the Rand is the only stable currency on the continent. If I were in a position of power, I would suggest all African nations join an African currency union, adopting the Rand as their national currency. Finally, the union should be expanded to a trade association, securing a region-wide free trade zone, hopefully with collective WTO membership. From there, the rules are the same as for every other continent: deregulate, privatize, and fight as hard as you can to secure the private property rights of the poor. The problem is, this last step is usually half-assed. The legal system is structured well enough to get a few diamond mines or oil wells operating, but the legal system remains too weak to defend small businesses or manufacturing for export. As such, they are never able to attract foreign direct investment, which is needed if Africa is going to obtain the technological and managerial know-how needed for prosperity.[Edited on July 30, 2007 at 2:54 PM. Reason : .,.]
7/30/2007 2:47:57 PM
^^^ Thats true, but Africa didn't wait until 2003 to go to shit. Even if there weren't soldiers in Iraq very few Americans would support sending troops into harms way in Africa. Regardless, Iraq isn't preventing UN troops from being deployed there.Sorry to nitpick, I completely agree with your post aside from the Iraq thing.
7/30/2007 2:49:18 PM
7/30/2007 3:43:54 PM
7/30/2007 3:59:38 PM
Somewhere in the Soap Box a while back somebody proposed modern take on colonialism.Basically a western power would aid a few african countries in exchange for resources and trade rights. The western countries would be contractually obligated to aid stabilization and help establish democratic governments and would leave once the contracts were up. I can't remember who said it and how exactly it worked although it did sound like a good (though maybe not feasible) plan.
7/30/2007 4:05:16 PM
the place is the heart of darkness
7/30/2007 4:54:40 PM