Disclaimer: This is not meant as a flame-baiting thread.

Society today seems to encourage people displaying pride for their ethnic or racial heritage except when it comes to Whites. This is probably due to the fact that most "white pride" parades are associated with neo-nazis and the KKK. Do you think there will be a time in the future where it's societally acceptable to say that you are proud to be White?

6/2/2007 2:55:32 PM

people always tout their various herritages (irish, german, italian, etc) as it is

6/2/2007 2:58:58 PM

I'm proud to be Scottish; does that count?

6/2/2007 3:03:50 PM

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"people always tout their various herritages (irish, german, italian, etc) as it is"

Yes, which makes an interesting point. You rarely (if ever) see Blacks touting pride for their specific African countries (Nigerian pride, Somalian pride), instead they simply congregate all together as one large group. Why does this occur with this specific racial group?

6/2/2007 3:11:16 PM

You should talk to some Germans about having national pride

6/2/2007 3:11:26 PM

^Yeah it's tough being German

6/2/2007 3:11:50 PM

some do take pride in their individual countries, but i agree that is isnt many.

i think perhaps it has to do with WHEN we got brought over. slavery kinda mish mashed a bunch of countries together and unified the black group as they were strugglling for equality.

meanwhile, whites came over in immigrant waves that segregated themselves within big cities such as new york.

[Edited on June 2, 2007 at 3:17 PM. Reason : not to mention none of those european countries get along]

6/2/2007 3:16:53 PM

^^^^?

How are they supposed to know which country to tout pride for? They could probably guess, but most of the time they have no way of knowing for sure.

And it's not tough being German. humandrive was making a joke about how they let their national pride get out of hand. But, as it is now, there's not a damn thing wrong with being proud to be German.

^Why are you saying "perhaps?" God is an idiot for not realizing this. Knowing about your specific heritage and where you came from is a privilege that most blacks don't get to experience...it really, really sucks.

[Edited on June 2, 2007 at 3:22 PM. Reason : sss]

6/2/2007 3:19:09 PM

God has some serious inferiority complex and is mad anytime that white males are not put on the pedestal he thinks he deserves. Seriously dude, its not hard being a white male, get over it.

6/2/2007 3:29:22 PM

^^ well, i cant be certain. black unity might have been gained just as much through the struggle for civil rights as it did from a lack of origin.

6/2/2007 3:37:52 PM

^Yeah, I know.

But still...this kid is stupid!

This whole thread is just ridiculous.

6/2/2007 3:42:30 PM

You guys are getting off topic. I'm asking why it's discouraged to claim pride in being White, and why it seems to come off as racist if one does so. Will this always be the case? If racial balances change 100 years from now, do you think it will be different or will scars from the past continue to cause the things that happen now?


This really is just a sociology discussion....

[Edited on June 2, 2007 at 4:05 PM. Reason : ]

6/2/2007 4:05:19 PM

Probably because the only heritage that all whites share is their segregation/subjugation of other races.

6/2/2007 4:10:42 PM

^That's the key.

God, white folks just don't have much in common to bond over.

There are some folks now who want us to bond over the fact that as a group we get blamed for things that we didn't actually do ourselves. But even then, that's weak. There are very few people actually blaming us for slavery, etc... And their voices are irrelevant--nothing real comes of the accusations...we still dominate society, and that domination isn't something to bond over, either, since it's a product of years and years of what we now recognize as crimes against humanity.

[Edited on June 2, 2007 at 4:45 PM. Reason : sss]

6/2/2007 4:44:33 PM

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"There are very few people actually blaming us for slavery"

riiiiiiight

hey c'mon white folks, who cares that there are plenty of double standards against you based on what other white people did before you were born...you're just gonna have to deal with it since white people are in power regardless of how much power you yourself actually have

6/2/2007 4:47:47 PM

^Find the quotes. Find me this outspoken, powerful group of people that blame us for slavery. And show me where they've actually gotten anything to come of their accusation.

6/2/2007 5:02:39 PM

From my perspective it seems like I'm being told that I have to feel guilty or sorry about the crimes of my race. I don't know why, since my family came over on a boat in the early 1900s and lived in the Polish section of Chicago.

6/2/2007 5:02:54 PM

^Who told you to feel guilty or sorry?

You should feel blessed and empowered to help your fellow man.

6/2/2007 5:05:14 PM

I remember in my Law & Justice class we were discussing things like Affirmative Action and another student said that it was good because "some of us got a 600 year head start."

I often wonder why this is my fault. I suppose that the current "benefits" I receive in terms of not being pulled over by cops or whatnot are the exchange?

[Edited on June 2, 2007 at 5:08 PM. Reason : ]

6/2/2007 5:06:46 PM

Why should we help people who won't help themselves.

6/2/2007 5:07:00 PM

^^You get a lot of hidden benefits as a result of your skin color.

On the topic of AA, I think it's a joke. It's an appeasement. Instead of changing the institutions that perpetuate disparity, we put this pathetic little band-aid on the problem so we can feel good about ourselves. And all the band-aid does is alienate minority populations even more by making it look like they don't have to work as hard or be as good as their peers to gain advancement.

6/2/2007 5:18:13 PM

^wow, it's good to see that we have gotten to the point where even democrats can call out AA for the joke that it is.

Race-based politics were all the rage in 10-15 years ago, but nowadays people are able to recognize the negative ramifications of government-mandated discrimination.

6/2/2007 5:36:46 PM

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"I'm proud to be Scottish; does that count?"

That explains your financial expertise.

The thing is, there is a distinct African-American culture separate from that of recent African immigrants. I have noticed that a lot of native-born Africans do not look highly on Africa-American's. The history of the African-American man is oppression, and like the elephant who has been chained so long he believes a piece of twine will bind him, the African-American psyche will, for some time to come, feel inferior. Rightly or wrongly. Although most anyone under 40 doesn't remember it, you can't forget the fact that the grandfathers of todays young black men and women were subjected to Jim Crow. White Southerners haven't all let go of the Civil War, which ended 142 years ago, why should we expect people to be over a system of segregation not even a half-century gone?

Now, this isn't to say that I support the current trend of popular black culture, but it isn't like you can release a prisoner after 200 years and be like, "oh, about that, sorry. Friends?"

6/2/2007 5:53:57 PM

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"Do you think there will be a time in the future where it's societally acceptable to say that you are proud to be White?"

i tell you what, i ain't no fuckin Polack, and I ain't gonna march in no faggoty White Pride parade with your fat Pope-loving ass.

6/2/2007 5:54:35 PM

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"Yes, which makes an interesting point. You rarely (if ever) see Blacks touting pride for their specific African countries (Nigerian pride, Somalian pride), instead they simply congregate all together as one large group. Why does this occur with this specific racial group?"

you are the dumbest human being alive

first of all as far as african american how in the hell do they know their heritage when they were cut off from africa and mixed with different ethnic groups

second there's no place with more divided groups of people than in africa, there are so many different tribes and different ethinic backgrounds that it would make your head spin. everyone in africa knows what ethnic group they belong to. in a typical country there are 8 or more different ethnic groups

[Edited on June 2, 2007 at 6:09 PM. Reason : .]

6/2/2007 6:08:01 PM

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"Yes, which makes an interesting point. You rarely (if ever) see Blacks touting pride for their specific African countries (Nigerian pride, Somalian pride), instead they simply congregate all together as one large group. Why does this occur with this specific racial group?"

thats because they have no idea where in Africa they came from. They bitch and complain about how their ancestors were slaves and because of that they should get a free ride. Well if it wasn't for their ancestors suffering 200 years ago, they'd all be back in Africa killing each other in the name of 'freedom fighters' and what not. So really they should be paying 'white' people a huge debt for rescuing them from such a terrible fate. Lets face it, most of Africa is one big shit hole filled with more racism, violence, war, death...then anywhere else on earth.

6/2/2007 6:10:07 PM

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"Lets face it, most of Africa is one big shit hole filled with more racism, violence, war, death...then anywhere else on earth."

which some attribute to the fact that for several hundred years, their most important resource (strong and healthy young men and women) were being systematically stolen from their country and force to labor overseas.

6/2/2007 6:20:59 PM

and what do you know, European colonization of africa did alot of damage to the stability they had, when the Europeans left they left alot of land up for grabs and they've been fighting over it for a long time.

and on top of that if you look at alot of africans come here but want to return to their homeland
theres alot in africa like the culture that you dont find here
so shove that mentality that you're doing the slaves a favor directly up your ars.

6/2/2007 6:27:51 PM

^ Also present African nations were arbitrarily drawn on a map by Europeans with no regard for cultural, ethnic, and tribal differences. As a result you have groups who have historically hated one another trying to share a government.

6/2/2007 6:33:30 PM

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"Find me this outspoken, powerful group of people that blame us for slavery. And show me where they've actually gotten anything to come of their accusation."

i'll gladly concede the latter point about the "anything to come of their accusation"...luckily the people with influence havent taken this too seriously

however the reason i initially even retorted your post is you said most people dont blame slavery on whites...which is just blatantly false

6/2/2007 6:43:35 PM

I didn't realize Africa was such a utopia before the evil white man raped and pillaged the continent.
TSB continues to inform, what can I say.

6/2/2007 7:00:50 PM

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"and on top of that if you look at alot of africans come here but want to return to their homeland theres alot in africa like the culture that you dont find here so shove that mentality that you're doing the slaves a favor directly up your ars."

so how about they STFU and fly back home for a dose of 'culture' then when they come back to the US missing a limb or two due to violence they'll appreciate the way things are here more.

6/2/2007 7:10:14 PM

^^Nobody said that.

Why would you say that?

What is so offensive to you personally about a discussion of the negative impact of European "imperialism" on Africa...that you feel the need to make an ass of yourself by making such a silly remark?

^Read a book. Please.

[Edited on June 2, 2007 at 7:14 PM. Reason : sss]

6/2/2007 7:12:00 PM

^i've read plenty. stop leeching on society.

6/2/2007 7:13:36 PM

If they weren't going to exploit the resources why shouldn't we?

6/2/2007 7:14:09 PM

^^How am I leeching on society?

^It's the dumb-loaded-question guy! I ignored your first question...no problems ignoring this one.

[Edited on June 2, 2007 at 7:17 PM. Reason : Way too many edits. Sorry, folks.]

6/2/2007 7:14:47 PM

Why do i need to read a book?

6/2/2007 7:15:28 PM

Everybody needs to read a book.

How am I leeching on society?

6/2/2007 7:16:29 PM

Everybody leeches off society.


...

6/2/2007 7:17:52 PM

^No, you obviously had a reason for claiming that I leech off society. Share it with me. I'll tell you why you need to read a book...

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"Golovko: so how about they STFU and fly back home for a dose of 'culture' then when they come back to the US missing a limb or two due to violence they'll appreciate the way things are here more."

This statement shows a serious flaw in your critical thinking skills--something I've noticed you struggle with for some time now. Just because it's worse in some parts of Africa doesn't mean there aren't places worth visiting or living that Americans could appreciate; I won't paint Africa as some idyllic place, though I fantasize about it that way sometimes--the rich, majestic land where humanity was born, you kow.

Furthermore, the idea that it's worse in Africa so people should appreciate it here is ridiculous. We've talked about how bad off it is for some people in Africa. It follows that saying, "Well, at least we're better than Africa!" is just silly.

And people of all races do get down on the US. They get frustrated and exhausted, and they are quick to lash out at the United States, but that doesn't mean you should call them out for not appreciating the US. It's a waste of time and energy, and you honestly don't know what they've endured here.

6/2/2007 7:30:02 PM

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"I'm asking why it's discouraged to claim pride in being White, and why it seems to come off as racist if one does so."

what unifying characteristic or ideal, beyond skin color, would whites claim pride in, exactly? blacks have the history of cultural oppression and the struggle for civil rights. americans from other cultures, as a loosely collective group, have their dual national identities in common. and at least members of the klan have their collective hate to unify them.

individual pride is one thing, but i don't know how one would even begin to try to form a unifying identity for the vastly eclectic group that is white america. why would you want to?

6/2/2007 9:14:05 PM

^ I guess cause I just feel left out and I don't have anywhere to belong

6/2/2007 10:00:50 PM

Who is this "Will White" fellow anyway?

6/2/2007 10:20:36 PM

^^ racial essentialism leads to simplistic binaries and hurtful exclusion.

i think we're all much better off using personal interests (be they hobbies, sports ... t-dub) as a starting point to finding places to belong.

6/2/2007 10:33:24 PM

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"This statement shows a serious flaw in your critical thinking skills--something I've noticed you struggle with for some time now. Just because it's worse in some parts of Africa doesn't mean there aren't places worth visiting or living that Americans could appreciate; I won't paint Africa as some idyllic place, though I fantasize about it that way sometimes--the rich, majestic land where humanity was born, you kow. Furthermore, the idea that it's worse in Africa so people should appreciate it here is ridiculous. We've talked about how bad off it is for some people in Africa. It follows that saying, "Well, at least we're better than Africa!" is just silly. And people of all races do get down on the US. They get frustrated and exhausted, and they are quick to lash out at the United States, but that doesn't mean you should call them out for not appreciating the US. It's a waste of time and energy, and you honestly don't know what they've endured here."

that right there is a load of whiny bullshit. I've noticed that about you for sometime. All you do is whine and defend black people being lazy because they're black and 'suffered'.

Yes, not all of Africa is a shit hole. Especially the non-black parts like most of North Africa. All the places in which slaves were traded from are the parts that are shitty. Like it or not life is far better here for blacks then it is in Africa.

now go ahead, whine and bitch some more and make a few more excuses.

6/3/2007 10:02:14 AM

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"All you do is whine and defend black people being lazy because they're black and 'suffered'. Yes, not all of Africa is a shit hole. Especially the non-black parts like most of North Africa."

So are you arguing that black people are lazy?

6/3/2007 10:30:19 AM

GET A ROPE

6/3/2007 10:38:40 AM

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"^ I guess cause I just feel left out and I don't have anywhere to belong "

I wish this forum had that masturbating hand emoticon like on SA.

6/3/2007 10:57:00 AM

nvm

[Edited on June 3, 2007 at 11:29 AM. Reason : not even worth it...i think god has issues when it comes to black people]

6/3/2007 11:27:26 AM

Haha, Golovko is so racist. Thanks for hijacking my thread dude.

6/3/2007 12:13:12 PM