The following link from the website of Fordham University contains a 1543 letter by Martin Luther on the subject of the Jews entitled "On the Jews and Their Lies." The letter is quite lengthy, and I have read a good portion of it, though not all of it. Although I disagree with Luther on several issues (including whether the so-called "Jews" are the actual physical descendants of the Israelites...and whether Paul/Saul's writings should be part of the cannon of Scripture), Luther makes many insightful observations regarding the religion, nature, and influence of the Jews. As is overwhelmingly clear from these writings, Luther views the Jews as a subversive, greedy, accursed, malicious, and greatly evil people, who are descended from the very people who murdered Jesus, and who deeply hate Christianity and God's people, and are working in every possible way to harm Christian civilization. Among other things, Luther analyzes the false teaching and perversions of Scripture in the Talmud, including vicious hatred directed towards Jesus and Christians, as well as recounting the many times Jews have been expelled from European nations.I have quoted some of the more interesting passages below. The article is well worth taking a look at, especially for Protestant Christians...but also others interested in a historical perspective on the subject of traditional Christian attitudes towards Judaism and the Jews.http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/1543-Luther-JewsandLies-full.html
2/17/2007 4:03:04 PM
I thought you hated black people.
2/17/2007 4:04:06 PM
whats this? someone in the 1500's hated the jews? mind shattering!
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2/17/2007 4:32:31 PM
dont believe everything thats on the internet....including this statement
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2/17/2007 4:35:23 PM
i mean he should have hated the jews, they killed christians for their bloodhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/08/wjews08.xml
2/17/2007 4:38:16 PM
^0/10 for facts2/10 for effort
2/17/2007 5:06:42 PM
Thought this thread was about MLK... check.
2/17/2007 5:23:01 PM
Historical context is everything.
2/17/2007 5:34:22 PM
Hold up...somebody actually agrees with salisburyboy?
2/17/2007 5:36:22 PM
Martin Luther agrees that the Jews control the United States
2/17/2007 6:08:31 PM
To say what "God" hates and likes (when refering to people) is going out on a limb. I really don't think he "hates" for the just because reason. More so, like he hates idol worshippers. Rather counter visceral to create a race (I know Jew isn't a race) of people just to hate them.I firmly understand your agenda is to vilify Jewish people. But you use the teaching of christ as contradictory in your effort. There are selective passages throughout the bible that condem some of everything. Not solely one division of people. You ignore multiple passages of sharing love for "mankind" etc.[Edited on February 18, 2007 at 12:01 AM. Reason : .]
2/17/2007 11:56:15 PM
Cue the pic of Carl holding his head in disgust.
2/18/2007 1:33:02 AM
2/18/2007 2:05:10 AM
I think it's funny that everybody dumps on salisburyboy but hardly anybody says anything to guth when he basically backs salisburyboy up.
2/18/2007 8:56:58 AM
ummmmm, ahahahahahawhat an idiot
2/18/2007 9:42:10 AM
^^i said he was full of shit. cause he is.
2/18/2007 9:48:49 AM
My overall point is that Jews (and specifically "organized" or elite Jewry) has been responsible for much more persecution and victimization than has been brought against them.Yes, Jews have suffered some persecution in the past. For instance, they have been expelled from nearly every European country at some point in history. Now why is that? Could it have anything to do with things such as the "blood libel" incidents and their propensity to aggregate wealth via usury banking, wreck the economies of nations, degrade the morality in a nation (eg, current media and Hollywood "entertainment"), etc? The point is that the Jews have deserved this "persecution." The idea that Jews are innocent victims throughout history who've done nothing wrong and everyone just hates them for no apparant reason is a myth. As is the Holocaust story. Yes, Jews went to slave labor camps, but the camps were not "extermination camps."Organized Jewry is responsible for the murder or deaths of over a hundred million non-Jews, primarily white Christians....eg, via the fomentation and orchestration of World Wars I & II, the Bolshevik "revolution" and genocide, current Iraq War, etc.
2/18/2007 9:51:28 AM
^^ Well, I did say hardly anybody, and you are correct for calling him out.The holocaust story...LOL! As if the killing of millions of jews is a myth.[Edited on February 18, 2007 at 9:59 AM. Reason : more]
2/18/2007 9:58:23 AM
Based upon my research, elites of Jewish descent are the primary players in this drive towards a "new world order." This Jewish "cabal" (if you will) is the group that controls the U.S. and other Western governments, bought up and control Western "mainstream" media....all via their control of international banking. For example, there is little dispute that elite Jewish interests control Hollywood. The same goes for broadcast television. Anyone who does a little research will find this is true.That said, I realize there are many non-Jewish elites who are knowingly involved in this "new world order" conspiracy. But they are mere lackeys and minions of the Jewish banking cabal that has the power.
2/18/2007 10:01:30 AM
You are quite an enigma. I didn't know that hardcore liberals bought into far rightwing conspiracy theories of jewish world domination.
2/18/2007 10:02:55 AM
I'm in no way affiliated with National Socialists/Nazis. As are ~99%+ people who hold views such as myself. Neo-nazi groups and other similar organizations are controlled opposition groups. They have very small memberships...yet the government and establishment media is constantly referring to them when they want to demonize people with certain viewpoints (eg, opposition to massive non-white immigration, white separatists, those critical of Zionism and the state of Israel, etc.)Many such groups are infiltrated by FBI and other government agents. Many were founded and are controlled by the government or Zionist interests. These controlled opposition groups exist to draw in and neutralize many people who would be inclined to oppose Zionism and the system. But more importantly, they exist to serve as the (media created) "poster child" for those who would oppose Zionism, illegal immigration, etc. The establishment media brings them out whenever they want to demonize people with certain viewpoints. Even despite the fact that the membership in these groups is very small. While the organizations maintain legitimate positions on several issues, the literature, marches, and other things produced by the organizations is of intentionally poor quality. Ridiculous items such as worship of Hitler, occult doctrine, and other false ideology is prominent in such organizations. The purpose of this all...of course...being to smear the truth by mixing truth with falsehoods, associating the truth with demonized/ridiculous groups, etc.
2/18/2007 10:12:31 AM
Is there a reason we should care about this? So Martin Luther hated Jews, what of it? Just another man - a very dead man, in this case - with opinions. It doesn't exactly shatter my worldview.Second, from the introduction of the page you link:
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2/19/2007 10:52:07 AM
Il seguente collegamento dal Web site dell'università di Fordham contiene una lettera 1543 da Martin Luther a proposito degli ebrei intitolati "sugli ebrei e sulle loro bugie." La lettera è abbastanza lunga e gli ho letto una buona parte, comunque non tutta di esso. Anche se non sono d'accordo con Luther su parecchie edizioni (che includono se i cosiddetti "ebrei" sono i discendenti fisici reali dei israelites... e se le scritture di Paul/Saul's dovrebbero fare parte del cannone di Scripture), Luther fa molte osservazioni insightful per quanto riguarda la religione, la natura e l'influenza degli ebrei. Come è in modo schiacciante chiare da queste scritture, le viste di Luther gli ebrei come un sovversivo, greedy, accursed, cattivo e notevolmente gente diabolica, che è discesa dalla gente stessa che ha assassinato Jesus e che profondamente odia il christianity e la gente del dio e stanno funzionando in ogni senso possibile nuoc la civilizzazione cristiana. Tra l'altro, Luther analizza l'insegnamento falso ed i perversions di Scripture nel Talmud, compreso odio vizioso orientato verso Jesus ed i cristiani, così come il racconto dei molti ebrei di periodi sono stati espulsi dalle nazioni europee. Ho citato alcuni dei passaggi più interessanti qui sotto. L'articolo è buono degno dare un'occhiata a, particolarmente per i cristiani protestanti... ma anche altri interessati ad una prospettiva storica a proposito degli atteggiamenti cristiani tradizionali nei confronti di judaism e degli ebrei.
2/19/2007 10:52:41 AM
If Martin Luther were alive today, he would be villified by the Jewish-controlled media and establishment as a "bigotted racist anti-Semite" (blah, blah, blah), and he would probably be thrown in jail under the "anti-hate speech" laws in Europe.
2/19/2007 11:40:58 AM
wouldnt most people from that period be called racist bigots?
2/19/2007 11:42:36 AM
2/19/2007 12:01:04 PM
whothefuckcares
2/19/2007 12:15:46 PM
2/19/2007 1:18:38 PM
are you ever going to get tired of this shit?
2/19/2007 1:46:27 PM
2/19/2007 2:04:57 PM
Martin Luther also mocked Copernicus and his notion of heliocentrism.Does that validate the belief that the earth is the center of the universe?
2/19/2007 3:06:26 PM
2/19/2007 3:10:24 PM
martin luther also wrote extensively about having battles with the devil involving him throwing poop.
2/19/2007 3:18:43 PM
And what does Luther's opinion on heliocentrism have to do with his views on Jews and Judaism?Practically EVERYONE (99.99%) of people living at that time believed the earth was the center of the universe.
2/19/2007 3:25:09 PM
wrong
2/19/2007 3:27:26 PM
Wait...YOU'RE RIGHT! Because Luther (just like 99.999% of those of his day) didn't know the truth about the nature of the universe due to forthcoming scientific discoveries, that means he couldn't accurately judge and observe the nature and influence of Judaism and Jews.IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!!!!!
2/19/2007 3:30:36 PM
2/19/2007 3:33:37 PM
so it doesnt bother you that he was batshit crazy? need i repeat, HE THREW HIS OWN SHIT AT THE DEVIL!!!
2/19/2007 3:34:54 PM
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2/19/2007 3:48:23 PM
i went ahead and made this thread for you on campusblender
2/19/2007 3:53:12 PM
It all comes down to your search for respectable figures whose views are similar to your own. The fact that you can't win people over with your horrible arguments and accusations and instead must try to use a bandwagon approach shows the weakness of your position.Why not make an Adolf Hitler was an "anti-Semite" thread? Because that would do nothing but give people more reason to disagree with you.I welcome the day when you use legitimate facts instead of the words of long dead men and long debunked stories about jewish cabals.
2/19/2007 4:04:34 PM
it's true, Martin Luther was a rabid anti-semite.he also was batshit crazy.which is why, if you go to any mainstream lutheran church, they really try to steer any discussions away from Martin Luther. his books are marginalized even in their own theology.
2/19/2007 4:10:53 PM
2/19/2007 4:16:49 PM
^ Other than Luther's Catechisms, you're more likely to find the works of Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Luther's antisemitism rarely, if ever, is mentioned in the church because of its incompatibility with most of the relatively liberal leanings of a good portion of Lutheran churches and of Lutheran doctrine.
2/19/2007 4:19:46 PM