I'm watching a program on History International (118 digital) called The Horrors of Hussein. I've known for years, of course, that he was a brutal dictator, but when you see some of the things he did to people. . .it's jarring. You see the skin peeling off the victims of Hussein’s chemical weapons’ attacks; they gasp for air and suffer greatly. Executions by firing squads. Mass graves. Horror.

This program may be old, but it's the first time I've seen it. If you want to get some idea of what kind of war criminal Hussein really is, watch this program.

10/20/2006 1:42:18 AM

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10/20/2006 1:58:39 AM

lets let this thread get buried off of the first page because us liberals really have no party line reponses for this one

10/20/2006 9:53:01 AM

here ya go

partisan nothing added rabble partisan rabble nothing added partisan rabble nothing added

10/20/2006 10:11:52 AM

we put him in power, we might as well have taken him out

10/20/2006 10:12:01 AM

I'll add some more

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/20/iraq.sadr.ap/index.html?eref=rss_world

10/20/2006 10:14:45 AM

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"because us liberals really have no party line reponses for this one"

10/20/2006 10:19:08 AM

here ya go

partisan nothing added rabble partisan rabble nothing added partisan rabble nothing added

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 10:20 AM. Reason : So basically the only valid reply in this thread is a party line one?]

10/20/2006 10:20:29 AM

im sorry state409c, have you posted anything in this thread that has one single thing to do with "the horrors of hussein"?

10/20/2006 10:22:45 AM

Is there anything that needs saying? Your lame attempt at partisan bickering is failing.

Throw out your own little bait first, someone might bite, but it won't be me.

You're too stupid to engage in any sort of academic way.

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 10:25 AM. Reason : a]

10/20/2006 10:24:42 AM

^you are in a sad state when reflecting on how evil sadam was is a partisan thing for you

10/20/2006 10:26:37 AM

I think you meant two arrows there good buddy.

How can you be this stupid. How utterly fucking stupid can you be? Do you have a degree, let alone a G.E.D.?

10/20/2006 10:27:49 AM

^this thread is about a history channel documentary on how terrible some of saddam's actions were on his own people

and i mention that liberals dont have an argument

and you completely confirm that assessment

gg

10/20/2006 10:28:13 AM

nope...i meant you...

anyone - "sadam was bad"
state409 - "you partisan hack!!"

what a moron

10/20/2006 10:29:10 AM

There is nothing to argue. He was/is an evil person. He killed a lot of people using viscious tactics.

I don't know any liberal that will disagree.

JUST WHEN I THOUGHT YOU WERE DONE, YOU WENT AND OUTDID YOURSELF ON THE STUPIDITY LEVEL.

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"nope...i meant you... anyone - "sadam was bad" state409 - "you partisan hack!!" what a moron"

Who is the partisan hack? Who mentioned party lines first in this thread you dipshit?

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 10:31 AM. Reason : a]

10/20/2006 10:30:39 AM

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"this thread is about a history channel documentary on how terrible some of saddam's actions were on his own people and i mention that liberals dont have an argument and you completely confirm that assessment gg "

10/20/2006 10:33:32 AM

^^hahaha...you are so sad....like always...you are just not worth it

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 10:33 AM. Reason : asdf]

10/20/2006 10:33:50 AM

OF COURSE LIBERALS DON'T HAVE AN ARGUMENT

CAN YOU READ THE WORDS IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE

OR ARE YOU TOO HIGH?

WHAT IS THERE TO ARGUE?

YOU HAVEN'T MADE A POINT IN THE SOAP BOX IN 5 MONTHS

GO BACK TO SPORTS TALK AND ENTERTAINMENT AND TALK ABOUT YOUR THUG LIFESTYLE

10/20/2006 10:34:53 AM

hey trikk i wonder what state409's next post will be

a) all caps lock cussing about how angry he is

b) snitch bitch tattletailing to the mods

10/20/2006 10:35:42 AM

yeah...im thinking something along those lines....

state409.."hey...these guys disagree with me...i know...ill just send PM's to everyone under the sun and try to get them suspended!!....BRILLAINT""

10/20/2006 10:37:28 AM

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" From : trikk311 To : State409c Received : Friday October 20, 2006 at 10:36 AM Subject : Re: Suspend these fuckheads you really have turned into the saddest person here....all you do is troll...please stop bothering me with your incessant PM's and please stop following me from thread to thread...."

I'm pretty sure I count 4 of my posts in this thread before you joined in the idiocy.

10/20/2006 10:37:38 AM

You want to answer this question

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"WHAT IS THERE TO ARGUE?"

10/20/2006 10:38:18 AM

^^but i thought we were the same person??????

oh i get it, we're the same person when it suits your argument and we're different when that suits your argument

ok

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 10:38 AM. Reason : ^^]

10/20/2006 10:38:32 AM

Why are you trying to turn such a horrible horrible dead into a partisan debate? Thats a pretty heartless thing to do.

10/20/2006 10:38:49 AM

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"joined in the idiocy."

haha...great....so...i post once...you post 4 times...that means 4/5 of the idiocy was all you buddy

10/20/2006 10:38:57 AM

Why are you so heartless treetwista?

You tried to start some kinda debate about people that were brutalized and murdered.


Twista actually posted 3 times, so 100% of it was him. And then you just added to the fun!

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 10:39 AM. Reason : a]

10/20/2006 10:39:21 AM

Why are you mentioning a Shiite militia in post-Saddam Iraq when the thread topic is about Saddam-controlled Iraq?

10/20/2006 10:39:46 AM

Why are you trying to turn such a horrible horrible dead into a partisan debate? Thats a pretty heartless thing to do.

10/20/2006 10:40:14 AM

I agree that Hussein was and is a completely asshole and is going to burn for what he's done but this shit happens all the time all over the world so im not going to cry over spilled milk when worse stuff is happening as we speak.

10/20/2006 10:40:26 AM

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"worse stuff is happening as we speak"

like what?

10/20/2006 10:40:35 AM

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"Why are you mentioning a Shiite militia in post-Saddam Iraq when the thread topic is about Saddam-controlled Iraq?"

The shiites are taking revenge on the sunnis for years of brutalizing at the hands of the sunni dominated Baath party. Seems valid in the thread to me.


^^ you took the bait, be prepared for the same arguments he has said all along

17 reasons for war
Saddam was a bad person
Our intelligence said they had WMDs
he was harboring terrorist
threat to the US

etc

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" like what?"

Ever heard of Sudan?

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 10:43 AM. Reason : x]

10/20/2006 10:41:15 AM

^you know, just because you have the ability to post doesnt mean its a good idea to post

10/20/2006 10:42:38 AM

like abunch of black people getting killed in Sudan along with God knows what else throughout Africa, people in NK starving and getting sent to laybor camps and similar problems in China.

and Hussein gassed these people over a decade ago. So yes its a good history program but dont post this stuff to justify the war in Iraq. If you actually care about this and had feelings back in the 90's then good for you.

10/20/2006 10:47:08 AM

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"like abunch of black people getting killed in Sudan along with God knows what else throughout Africa, people in NK starving and getting sent to laybor camps and similar problems in China."

who are you to claim that those things are "worse" than gassing your own people?

not that they're not horrible things

but you seem to take the opinion of "so what, saddam isnt doing anything TOO bad...lots of worse stuff is going on, saddam's horrific acts werent a big deal"

10/20/2006 10:48:16 AM

Time for a semantics battle over the term "worse".

How about, killing 200,000 is worse than 20,000?

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 10:50 AM. Reason : a]

10/20/2006 10:50:20 AM

coming from someone who's greatest hero disputes what the meaning of the word "is" is

interesting too you think Saddam only killed 20,000 people

10/20/2006 10:50:46 AM

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" From : trikk311 To : State409c Received : Friday October 20, 2006 at 10:55 AM Subject : Re: Suspend these fuckheads are you serious?? you cant be serious?? do you realize that by trying to get anyone who disagrees with you suspended you just make yourself look bad?? i mean...so i disagree with you...your immediate response is.."OMGTHESEASSHOLESSUCKSOBADTHEYADDNOTHINGSUSPEND!!!".... get over it dude...for your own sake"

I don't want you suspended for disagreeing. I want you suspending for adding negative value to this section.

This is what you have added to this thread

trolling:

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" ^you are in a sad state when reflecting on how evil sadam was is a partisan thing for you "

trolling:

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"nope...i meant you... anyone - "sadam was bad" state409 - "you partisan hack!!" what a moron"

trolling:

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"^^hahaha...you are so sad....like always...you are just not worth it"

nothing:

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"yeah...im thinking something along those lines.... state409.."hey...these guys disagree with me...i know...ill just send PM's to everyone under the sun and try to get them suspended!!....BRILLAINT"""

nothing:

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"haha...great....so...i post once...you post 4 times...that means 4/5 of the idiocy was all you buddy"

Fucking nothing. You haven't even commented on the original post yet.

GET THE HELL OUT

You are incapable of discussing anything in this section. You aren't intelligent and you don't belong here and you are most likely an alias anyway and should be suspended for it.

10/20/2006 11:05:53 AM

man you sure are an angry person...you should try sex with a girl...good stress reliever

10/20/2006 11:07:04 AM

hooksaw...do you know if they are going to show that again...i would like to see it..

10/20/2006 11:12:40 AM

The Horrors of Hussein will air again tonight (Friday) at 1 a.m. on History International (118 digital). I encourage everyone to watch it.

To all: I did NOT mean this thread to be bait for liberals to attack President Bush, nor did I mean for it to be a political ad in support of Bush. I'm telling you that I watched this documentary and I was shocked--jarred. I simply want people to watch it and make up their own minds. That is my only motivation here--I swear it.

10/20/2006 12:03:18 PM

whenever in the course of international events that we have supported a dictator, religious fanatic, or some entity whose long term values do not conincide with democratic values, it has backfired on us. it spans the globe - from Latin America to Southwest Asia. not only has it backfired on us, it has led to these kinds of atrocities on the population directly in contact with the said person/entity.

it is shameful. recent generations did not storm the beaches of Normandy and wheather the jungles of Indochina to have the men who sent them there support what they fought to defeat. i stongly believe in the Anglo-Yankee model of democracy, free markets, and free speech. i know its hard not to be opportunistic, but if we continue to support people and regimes that are not aligned with long term real democratic governance, it will backfire in unimaginable ways - the Vandals will sack and burn Rome once again.

10/20/2006 12:34:49 PM

^ Yes, the-enemy-of-our-enemy-is-our-friend approach doesn't always work out as planned.

10/20/2006 12:56:44 PM

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"]who are you to claim that those things are "worse" than gassing your own people? not that they're not horrible things but you seem to take the opinion of "so what, saddam isnt doing anything TOO bad...lots of worse stuff is going on, saddam's horrific acts werent a big deal""

First, I am not saying these situations are worse Im saying they are happening as we speak not in 1988.

Second, I am not taking a "so what" possition at all. Im taking a "this happened in 1988 and does not justify the Iraq war" possition. But regardless of the purpose of this thread Hussein is a horrible man and should have been removed over 15 years ago but wasnt and since then his power was diminished significantly up till the point we invaded.

also he didnt gas his own people, that would be like someone saying the US killing indians was the US killing its own people. YOU GAVE SMALL POX TO YOUR OWN PEOPLE OH NOES!!!!!!! so dont pull that emotional non-sense.

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 3:43 PM. Reason : also I agree with ssjamind]

10/20/2006 3:42:44 PM

yes he did gas his own people

the indians werent american citizens

the kurds were iraqi citizens

10/20/2006 3:44:22 PM

maybe so but they obviously didnt want it that way

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"Iraqi government began a new offensive against the Kurds and pushed them close to the border with Iran. Moreover, Iraq informed Tehran that it was willing to satisfy other Iranian demands in return for an end to its aid to the Kurds. With the mediation of the Algerian President Houari Boumédiènne, Iran and Iraq reached a comprehensive settlement in March 1975 known as Algiers Pact. The agreement left the Kurds helpless and Tehran cut supplies to the Kurdish movement. Barzani fled to Iran with many of his supporters. Others surrendered en masse and the rebellion was finished in a few days. As a result Iraqi government extended its control over northern region after 15 years and in order to secure its influence, started an Arabization program by moving Arabs to the oil fields in Kurdistan, particularly the ones around Kirkuk [8]. Th repressive measures carried out by the iraqi regime against Kurds after the Algiers agreement, led to renewed clashes between the Iraqi Army and Kurdish guerrillas in 1977. As a result in 1978 and 1979, 600 Kurdish villages were burned down and around 200,000 Kurds were deported to the other parts of the country [9]."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Autonomous_Region

wiki for truth

also dont just address the shitty take I put at the end of my post.

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 3:50 PM. Reason : !]

10/20/2006 3:50:02 PM

well i was cool with all the first stuff, only had an issue with the last part

10/20/2006 3:51:11 PM

word

I still stand by the fact that Hussein didnt give a shit about the Kurds and did not feel that they were "his people"

10/20/2006 3:55:07 PM

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"I'm watching a program on History International (118 digital) called The Horrors of Hussein. I've known for years, of course, that he was a brutal dictator, but when you see some of the things he did to people. . .it's jarring. You see the skin peeling off the victims of Hussein’s chemical weapons’ attacks; they gasp for air and suffer greatly. Executions by firing squads. Mass graves. Horror. "

Tell that to the Iraqi people.

Hey, isn't that kind of like the The Horrors of The Illegal Invasion?

The skin peeling from vicitms of Bush's phosphorus bomb attacks? They ALSO gasp for air and suffer greatly.

Executions, tortures, and rapes by rogue US soldiers?

What about civilian victims of cluster bombs?

10/20/2006 4:08:24 PM

also I could make a History program that made Lincoln look like the devil.

10/20/2006 4:09:46 PM

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"The skin peeling from vicitms of Bush's phosphorus bomb attacks? They ALSO gasp for air and suffer greatly."

Someone break out those interesting photos of the phosphorus bomb attacks in Lebanon.

10/20/2006 4:09:54 PM