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9/24/2006 10:53:53 PM

I ate a steak sandwich for dinner with strawberries and steamed broccoli.

9/24/2006 10:56:08 PM

alright... do you agree with: "if there is no supreme being to lay down the moral law, each individual is free to do as he or she pleases."

9/24/2006 10:57:57 PM

Which is better strawberry or chocolate icecream?

9/24/2006 10:59:06 PM

i'd say read the first few chapters of Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis - in the very beginning he goes over the idea of morality - don't be turned off by the title if you aren't religious

9/24/2006 11:00:17 PM

no.

9/24/2006 11:01:20 PM

im up for reading anything

9/24/2006 11:02:05 PM

which came first, the chicken or the egg?

9/24/2006 11:02:22 PM

q.e.d.

9/24/2006 11:02:24 PM

no.

9/24/2006 11:10:09 PM

christians seem to think so

9/24/2006 11:11:12 PM

no

9/24/2006 11:16:52 PM

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"does morality require god"

No.

Glad I could solve this for you.

9/24/2006 11:17:59 PM

well i know the answer is 'no'. but what im trying to get at is why, like tchenku said, christians seem to think so... 'cause it has to be more than theyre condescending assholes

9/24/2006 11:25:41 PM

Seriously man, anybody who thinks about this shit for more than 15 seconds realizes the answer is no.

Obviously you haven't looked into the field of ethics ... at all.

There are plenty of moral theories, including objective moral theories, that are "stand-alone".

9/24/2006 11:27:22 PM

I was raised atheist and have yet to kill anyone. So I'm going to go with no.

9/24/2006 11:29:38 PM

well i jsut read this article, and i was thinkin bout stuff..

so yeah.. w/e

9/24/2006 11:30:35 PM

Why do you think morality requires a God? Because if you don't have hellfire hanging over your head, you'll go on a sinful binge?

9/24/2006 11:31:40 PM

No.

9/24/2006 11:48:45 PM

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9/24/2006 11:55:03 PM

no.

9/24/2006 11:59:29 PM

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"I was raised atheist and have yet to kill anyone. So I'm going to go with no."

the counter is that most of our laws are derived from Judeo-Christian religious teachings, so by virtue of being raised in our society, you've been taught those standards of right and wrong.


now, do I personally think you need to believe in God to know right from wrong? of course not.

9/25/2006 12:13:48 AM

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"the counter is that most of our laws are derived from Judeo-Christian religious teachings, so by virtue of being raised in our society, you've been taught those standards of right and wrong."

Yeah and the funny part is, every useful Judeo-Christian law is common sense. Most of our dumb-shit laws are the "extra stuff".

9/25/2006 12:16:50 AM

no

but, God and morality go hand in hand

9/25/2006 12:17:47 AM

^^
Yeah...most stuff can be traced to hygienic concerns (often anachronisms), or can be replicated by straight utilitarianism.

Funny, that.

9/25/2006 12:25:29 AM

Depends on your flavor of utilitarianism I suppose -- too many forms of it have monstrous consequences. Then again, same for Judeo-Christian ethics.

9/25/2006 12:28:40 AM

my personal opinion

which doesn't mean shit to anyone else, and i realize that,

is yes, but only in the sense that it was a creation of God.


but whether or not one believes in God has absolutely nothing to do with their moral character. It's something I wish my fellow christians would think about before they judge nonbelievers as "amoral sinners" and whatnot

9/25/2006 12:42:19 AM

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"I was raised atheist and have yet to kill anyone. So I'm going to go with no."

That could make you either a moral person or a person who is scared of being ass raped.

9/25/2006 12:54:18 AM

Religious people think everything is a creation of God, why would they think any different of morality?

9/25/2006 12:56:48 AM

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"the counter is that most of our laws are derived from Judeo-Christian religious teachings, so by virtue of being raised in our society, you've been taught those standards of right and wrong."

Not correct, most of our laws are derived from Common Law, which was independent of religious beliefs.

contrary to common belief, the middle ages and such were not eras of rampant christian fundamentalism.

9/25/2006 1:06:11 AM

What the hell, newbie.

I mean it's amazing that you manage to get your bra and panties on in the morning all by yourself.

9/25/2006 1:13:26 AM

What a stupid fucking question.

9/25/2006 1:16:07 AM

NO

9/25/2006 1:17:37 AM

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"Religious people think everything is a creation of God, why would they think any different of morality?"

Not so.

9/25/2006 1:23:17 AM

Okay so sinful shit and things that come about via free will aren't the creations of God directly -- but something like morality?

9/25/2006 1:23:57 AM

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"NO"

9/25/2006 1:27:36 AM

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"alright... do you agree with: "if there is no supreme being to lay down the moral law, each individual is free to do as he or she pleases.""

do you agree with: "if there is a supreme being to lay down the moral law, no individual is free to do as he or she pleases."

9/25/2006 3:06:46 AM

^ You didn't negate that properly, please try again.

9/25/2006 3:20:43 AM

is it right becuase god says so. so you cant have morality without god.

9/25/2006 4:06:24 AM

no

9/25/2006 7:31:34 AM

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" Not correct, most of our laws are derived from Common Law, which was independent of religious beliefs. contrary to common belief, the middle ages and such were not eras of rampant christian fundamentalism. "

only about 1/3 right.

Common Law was derived from Roman Law, Papal Law, and municipal laws; but the inception thereof was largely a creation of two factions: The Church and the pagan Anglo Saxons of England. "Common Law" didn't even develop until post-Gregorian times, after Aquinas first started talking eternal, divine, natural, and human laws. Perhaps the most influential figure in the Common Law system was Blackstone, who was just as much a theologian as a law scholar. Soon after that was Coke, who too justified his basis for having laws by using God. Even today, only the US and Britain are the only two countries that use a common law system (and even Louisiana here doesn't use one).

You can disagree with religion all you want. But you can't deny the church's power in instituting the system of laws and ethics that we still use today. (notice i seperated the church, and religion)

9/25/2006 7:39:12 AM

if god says evil is good, then evil is good.

9/25/2006 7:42:20 AM

no

The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion.
- Arthur C. Clark

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9/25/2006 7:42:39 AM

blah blah blah here we go hate hate hate

9/25/2006 7:44:02 AM

no

9/25/2006 9:50:19 AM

nothing requires god.

9/25/2006 9:51:43 AM

no.

stupid question

9/25/2006 10:34:56 AM

No

9/25/2006 10:46:23 AM

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"which came first, the chicken or the egg?"

Blows my mind every time i think about that.

9/25/2006 10:50:51 AM

no

and the egg came first

9/25/2006 10:57:52 AM