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"http://www.nbc10.com/news/9850095/detail.html?rss=phi&psp=news"

I can't believe it. They could give him, his brother, and his son 8 years each. I wonder how this will impact the A&E series and how the US is going to handle this.

9/14/2006 5:27:37 PM

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9/14/2006 6:04:35 PM

dog is my hero.....

9/14/2006 6:46:50 PM

based on what i read, things will get worked out somehow.

i understand the mexican authorities were ticked off, but i can't imagine the PR move for them if they throw a person in prison for aiding in the capture of a rapist.

technically they are within their rights, but it looks really bad for them.

9/14/2006 8:27:41 PM

whatever. that guy is a hack. let him rot in jail

9/14/2006 8:38:50 PM

that man is an american legend and should be freed to come back and rock shit

9/14/2006 8:52:46 PM

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"that man is an american legend and should be freed to come back and rock shit"

Agreed

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9/14/2006 9:23:07 PM

Considering that Mexico has one of the most corrupt and violent criminal justice systems in the world, I am mortified that some idiot judge signed the extradition order.

[Edited on September 14, 2006 at 9:29 PM. Reason : .]

9/14/2006 9:29:24 PM

this is a sad day

i love that show

9/14/2006 9:57:26 PM

whatever. that guy is a hack. let him rot in jail

9/15/2006 12:49:50 AM

gotta love how much influence mexico has over the US

1. maxfactor guy commits violent crime in the US
2. maxfactor guy, a US Citizen, flees to mexico
3. mexico refuses to apprehend and extradite hime
4. dog goes and gets him, turns him over to US justice system
5. mexico gets pissy b/c someone actually did something about the problem and didn't pay any of their 'officials' off before taking action
6. mexico demands, and apparently receives, assistance to order the US to apprehend a US citizen and deport him for 'mexican justice' (no such thing)

another example of how the tail wags the dog on the southern border

9/15/2006 12:55:00 AM

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"whatever. that guy is a hack. let him rot in jail"

jealousy is a bitch, isnt it? if they handed out jail sentences to every douchebag out there, you and all your friends would be in prison. dont be so quick to judge

9/15/2006 12:58:42 AM

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"gotta love how much influence mexico has over the US 1. maxfactor guy commits violent crime in the US 2. maxfactor guy, a US Citizen, flees to mexico 3. mexico refuses to apprehend and extradite hime 4. dog goes and gets him, turns him over to US justice system 5. mexico gets pissy b/c someone actually did something about the problem and didn't pay any of their 'officials' off before taking action 6. mexico demands, and apparently receives, assistance to order the US to apprehend a US citizen and deport him for 'mexican justice' (no such thing) another example of how the tail wags the dog on the southern border"

Did he still not violate the law?

9/15/2006 1:16:36 AM

^ Is there really any law in Mexico?

9/15/2006 1:18:39 AM

Mexico can go fuck itself

9/15/2006 1:20:42 AM

^^American jingoism at its best.

9/15/2006 1:30:44 AM

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"technically they are within their rights, but it looks really bad for them."

Mexico has the right to breathe/exist next to us. That is all. They claim Dog's actions were a violation of Mexican "sovereignty" while they endorse their citizens' mass emmigration to the United States because illegal jobs here benefit Mexico in the longrun since the money is going back into their economy.

Fuck Mexico and their sorry ass excuse for government. The reason they are always broke is because they are paying for a welfare program that far exceeds their entire budget. Mexico has let Hondurans, Nicuaragans, (Name South American group here) into their countries and because of stiff and often violent uprisings by these groups, they have EXCLUDED them from paying taxes.

only 20% of Mexican citizens pay taxes and a good portion of these people were born in the U.S. and moved to Mexico for cheap land (which the govt. takes after the owner dies regardless of inheritance since there is no such thing as inheritance in Mexico)

This is just a gimmick to bring attention on themselves. Good job, Attention whore, you got your 10 seconds of fame for underminding United States, now go back into your desert hut and sit in the corner again.

9/15/2006 1:32:21 AM

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"Did he still not violate the law? "

the ONLY thing he violated in Mexico is not paying off anyone, or the right ones.

there is a distinct possibility that Mexico has someone that the US wants, and this is the bargaining chip. I hope this isn't the case since it is a US citizen facing extradition. Haven't heard of any major apprehensions recently, but then again the U.S. did just nail one of their major cartel leaders in Mex. waters so that may be the game.

law in mexico, hah

9/15/2006 1:32:25 AM

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"the ONLY thing he violated in Mexico is not paying off anyone, or the right ones. there is a distinct possibility that Mexico has someone that the US wants, and this is the bargaining chip. I hope this isn't the case since it is a US citizen facing extradition. Haven't heard of any major apprehensions recently, but then again the U.S. did just nail one of their major cartel leaders in Mex. waters so that may be the game. law in mexico, hah"

I just love american arrogance. Because we all know the american justice system is absofuckinglutely perfect.

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"only 20% of Mexican citizens pay taxes and a good portion of these people were born in the U.S. and moved to Mexico for cheap land (which the govt. takes after the owner dies regardless of inheritance since there is no such thing as inheritance in Mexico)"

There shouldn't be inheritance in America either. inheritance is simply a means of maintaining the haves and have nots throughout generations.

[Edited on September 15, 2006 at 1:35 AM. Reason : .]

9/15/2006 1:34:17 AM

Holy shit I have not heard such complete faggotry in a long time. Nutsmackr you are a waste of flesh. Go busy yourself with the 2008 Clinton campaign.

9/15/2006 1:43:03 AM

And you're right, no one should inhereit what their parents have worked their asses off to create. We should give it to those needy, slack off and smoke some rock unfortunate souls. Fucking idiot.

9/15/2006 1:45:08 AM

i can promise you it (US CJ System) is flawed, and very much imperfect. it does not always find justice, and many many many guilty people walk out to continue to victimize innocent citizens b/c the burden of proof is 'beyond a reasonable doubt' (where it should be, but a misunderstood level of proof). The jury system doesn't work very well in this modern world (expectations unrealistic, 'peers' dont have time, lawyers looking for an academy award - not justice). The whole cj system is completely overwhelmed, and there are literally millions of outstanding warrants/orders for arrest that will never be served. Take away plea bargains (bullshit) and the entire system would come to a dead stop in about 15 minutes.

-but-

it is a HELL of a lot better than the CJ system that exists in *most* countries.

think about it, mexico should be on par w/ the standard of living in the US and Canada - but they are clearly a 3rd world country (leave the tourist traps). Why? It sure isn't because the people are lazy or lack ingenuity. It sure isn't b/c they don't have access to the market. They lack a government that cares about them. They have a government that rapes them mercilessly... and for some reason the US is all too happy to send 'aid' to that gov't to keep the status quo.

I hope to hell that dog doesn't get sent over. The only way i'd buy into it is if Mexico had a real extradition treaty w/ the US. As it stands, Mexico will not extradite anyone that faces the death penalty in the US - and wont extradite most Mexican nationals (though they will encourage, train, assist, and otherwise protect anyone who wants to break our immigration laws and sneek in)

9/15/2006 1:48:34 AM

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"Holy shit I have not heard such complete faggotry in a long time. Nutsmackr you are a waste of flesh. Go busy yourself with the 2008 Clinton campaign."

Can't counter my argument so you call me names. how quaint.

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"And you're right, no one should inhereit what their parents have worked their asses off to create. We should give it to those needy, slack off and smoke some rock unfortunate souls. Fucking idiot."

the parents worked their asses off, not the kids. People should not be rewarded based upon what family they are born into. Furthermore, the american notion of pulling oneself up by the boot straps has been disproven time and time again.

and I love how you labeled every poor or working-class individual as a drug using lazy ass.

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"think about it, mexico should be on par w/ the standard of living in the US and Canada - but they are clearly a 3rd world country (leave the tourist traps). Why? It sure isn't because the people are lazy or lack ingenuity. It sure isn't b/c they don't have access to the market. They lack a government that cares about them. They have a government that rapes them mercilessly... and for some reason the US is all too happy to send 'aid' to that gov't to keep the status quo. I hope to hell that dog doesn't get sent over. The only way i'd buy into it is if Mexico had a real extradition treaty w/ the US. As it stands, Mexico will not extradite anyone that faces the death penalty in the US - and wont extradite most Mexican nationals (though they will encourage, train, assist, and otherwise protect anyone who wants to break our immigration laws and sneek in)"

not exactly. mexico unlike the United States and Canada was in the possession of Spain, a former world power that raped the resources of mexico and exploited its people. Couple that with Spains dramatic fall from power and the system of abuse that has permeated Mexico for hundreds of years and you end up with a country that has been so royally fucked. Through their revolution, Mexico finally had a starting point to gain access into world markets and see an actual real distrobution of power throughout the populous. however, 100 years is not enough time to make up for hundreds of years of abuse.

Likewise, no country should extradite anyone who faces the death penalty as the death penalty is an archaic and draconian punishment. And mexico should not extradite anyone helping people cross into this country because we should borders are asinine and arbitrary. mexican citizens should have free access into america just like canadians.

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"i can promise you it (US CJ System) is flawed, and very much imperfect. it does not always find justice, and many many many guilty people walk out to continue to victimize innocent citizens b/c the burden of proof is 'beyond a reasonable doubt' (where it should be, but a misunderstood level of proof). The jury system doesn't work very well in this modern world (expectations unrealistic, 'peers' dont have time, lawyers looking for an academy award - not justice). The whole cj system is completely overwhelmed, and there are literally millions of outstanding warrants/orders for arrest that will never be served. Take away plea bargains (bullshit) and the entire system would come to a dead stop in about 15 minutes."

the american justice systems is not fucked due to a failure to convict rather it is fucked because there are different types of justice for people depending on their socio-economic situation. the burden of proof should be made stricter. but as it currently stands, it is not longer innocent until proven guilty, rather guilty until you can prove yourself innocent.

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[Edited on September 15, 2006 at 1:56 AM. Reason : .]

9/15/2006 1:49:04 AM

Yes I am a jingoist because I mock Mexico's lack of a stable criminal procedure.

9/15/2006 1:58:43 AM

What makes you think the us system is better than the mexican system?

and don't try to pull some law and order bullshit, because as it currently stands the american justice system is bloated.

9/15/2006 2:01:40 AM

what actual real world experience do you have w/ the US CJ system? Mexican CJ system?

100 years isn't enough to recover? w/ the current gov't, give them a 1000 and it won't change.


near as I can tell, you want all humans on the same playing field and everyone to start life w/ the same exact resources? I cant join your world to carry on the debate.... i don't believe in unicorns or the magic kingdom. enjoy.

9/15/2006 2:10:11 AM

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"what actual real world experience do you have w/ the US CJ system? Mexican CJ system? 100 years isn't enough to recover? w/ the current gov't, give them a 1000 and it won't change. "

having gone through the us cj system and knowing people on both sides, I assure you that the US cj system is based soley towards convictions rather than justice.

And as a student of history, I actually know something about Mexico's past. these past 100 years has been the most stable time mexico has ever had. but the fact of the matter is the stability will probably not last.

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"near as I can tell, you want all humans on the same playing field and everyone to start life w/ the same exact resources? I cant join your world to carry on the debate.... i don't believe in unicorns or the magic kingdom. enjoy."

Who said anything about resources? And the only reason why you cannot join this debate is because of your own selfishness. The selfish cannot fathom a world of true equality.

9/15/2006 2:21:48 AM

i don't like the show but i'd like to see him released very soon

9/15/2006 2:35:09 AM

We could send another Bounty Hunter down to Mexico to free him, but then we'd have to worry about that Bounty Hunter being captured. This could never end

9/15/2006 2:48:35 AM

fuck it,

was going to say something on this topic

[Edited on September 15, 2006 at 6:53 AM. Reason : .]

9/15/2006 6:53:31 AM

why did it take 3 years to extradite?

looks like dog or someone he knows will have to pay some sort of penalty to be freed, thus paying off whoever didn't get the money the first go round.

9/15/2006 7:34:01 AM

did anyone actually read the article? HE IS NOT IN MEXICO, DURRRRRRRR.

9/15/2006 7:45:38 AM

warning. wordy post ahead.. if you dont wanna read it, the summary is that mexico is lawless and they need to worry about their own problems instead of DOG catching an american rapist that they were harboring.

ok so i went to cozumel, mexico back in march.... it seemed like a pretty nice place (kinda destroyed in parts by hurricane wilma but that was to be expected). it wasnt like the dirty, lawless mexico that i had imagined (hoped for haha). so i assumed that everyone had lied to me about mexico. worst thing i saw going on was a lot of free drinks being offered.

then a couple months later when i lived in tucson, i drove down to the REAL mexico. actually, i have no idea if it was real since it was a border town, but i'm gonna assume that its closer to how mexico is than the nicer touristy areas. nogales, mexico (where i went) is fucking disgusting and lawless.

$10 grams of cocaine EVERYWHERE (for those of you who dont know, they are usually $50-$60 in NC from what ive always heard), dudes selling women EVERYWHERE.. you can put COUG on your mastercard... "pharmacists" standing at the door of their shops screaming out "I GOT WHATEVER YOU NEED HOMEY" - (in cozumel they actually had signs listing the few legal things they would sell, nogales was the opposite). and the bouncers at the strip/cocaine/drug clubs were shaking hands with every cop that walked by. crazy shit. and thats just what i remember off the top of my head

damn i typed a lot. what i'm saying is that mexico has no right to fuck with dog chapman, especially if the guy he arrested wasnt even mexican. mexico has their own shit they need to worry about. here is an article about crime in the town near tucson (nogales) that i went to. its a pretty good read if you have time: http://www.zreportage.com/mexico.shtml

9/15/2006 8:05:00 AM

The issue here is a pride war. Throw in a brash guy like dog and his ghetto-tastic wife who tromp in your country and take something... that's what got them

It's not that the guy they were getting doesn't deserve to burn. He's a rapist. Everyone knows he's a rapist, it's not any argument about it.

This who things is a child like fight about "he took my toy after he fell over to my part of the sandbox".

9/15/2006 8:24:54 AM

yeah i hear that. its just ridiculous that they are playing this out in the media.

i was talking to someone last night about this, and she said she was seriously sad about dog the bounty hunter being in jail. i think its crazy, but its wild that people are getting so emotional over someone they dont know. i was thinking it was due to the reality tv thing... but its like that with all celebrities. guess reality tv is just changing the limits of what qualifies as celebrity

9/15/2006 8:38:00 AM

all i know is that dog's show is so god damn cheesy that i cant make it through an entire episode.

9/15/2006 8:40:07 AM

i like it. just cause his wifes tits are SO FUCKING RIDICULOUS. actually i watch A&E a lot so it happens to be on... but i do watch it when it's on. i like seeing what the people were charged with, and what their bond is... and what their home looks like. all the jesus talk in between, i could do without.

9/15/2006 8:44:04 AM

i too like A&E, but i turn the channel when his cheese block of a show comes on.

9/15/2006 8:47:47 AM

i actually pull up the hawaii courts website and look the people up and see what happened to them

9/15/2006 8:51:11 AM

does mexico have a website like that? maybe dog will be on it.

9/15/2006 8:52:06 AM

aaahahahaha

9/15/2006 8:52:24 AM

I just read where the final decision whether or not to extradite them will be made by Condoleeza Rice... The Bush administration doesn't need any more bad pub...they will let them slide.

9/15/2006 9:12:14 AM

ahaha

quick questions for all the people out there who pay attention

what is c. rice's position? AND... is it a pretty normal move to defer something liek this to her?

9/15/2006 9:14:55 AM

apparently commenting on the well known corruption of mexican govt/justice system is akin to claiming the US is perfect.

what a brilliant basis to form your arguments nutlickr

9/15/2006 9:21:38 AM

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"There shouldn't be inheritance in America either. inheritance is simply a means of maintaining the haves and have nots throughout generations."

wow, just wow jason


eliminating inheritance will cause people to work even less and aspire for much less

the have nots can become haves.... there are multiple opportunites to better yourself here

9/15/2006 9:36:00 AM

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"eliminating inheritance will cause people to work even less and aspire for much less"

you really think so? every person i know with wealthy parents (and im not talking about the middle class people that might get a $300,000 house when their parents die... i dont count that as "inheritance") has zero goals, no dreams, no aspirations, no desire to become more eduacated... nothing.

but maybe thats just the people i know.

9/15/2006 9:42:56 AM

it might be the people you know


my bosses parents are multi millionaires

and so is he


and he works harder than anyone else in the office because he wants more and more money

most rich folks I know.. I mean really rich people want more and work there ass off to get more

so what people have worked for should be stolen from those who have worked for it and given to those who didn't work for it jason?



[Edited on September 15, 2006 at 10:06 AM. Reason : .]

9/15/2006 10:04:43 AM

yeah, i guess i have aligned myself with some pretty shitty/lazy people over the years... due to the kind of life i was living, probably

actually one of the people im talking about... a dude with super rich parents, ripped me off for almost 1000 bucks (the real reason i left arizona). all he had to do was call his mommy for money, but instead he decided to rip me off for most of what i had... when i was 2000 miles from anyone else i knew. hell, it turned out that the cocksucker even used my mastercard to put gas in his car when i wasnt paying attention - and his momma would have given him his own damn card, and i was working for my money... thats the shitty part hahaha. thats pretty much the mindset of most of the born-rich people that i know. but i guess there are tons of good ones too that work hard.

so yeah hopefully ill be making better decisions about the type of person i associate with now that ive changed some things about my lifestyle

9/15/2006 10:12:26 AM

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"so what people have worked for should be stolen from those who have worked for it and given to those who didn't work for it jason?"

last I checked, once you die you aren't have property rights and nothing is being stolen from your. rather it is being stolen from your lazy ass kids who did nothing to deserve the wealth other than be born into the proper family.

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"actually one of the people im talking about... a dude with super rich parents, ripped me off for almost 1000 bucks (the real reason i left arizona). all he had to do was call his mommy for money, but instead he decided to rip me off for most of what i had... when i was 2000 miles from anyone else i knew. hell, it turned out that the cocksucker even used my mastercard to put gas in his car when i wasnt paying attention - and his momma would have given him his own damn card, and i was working for my money... thats the shitty part hahaha. thats pretty much the mindset of most of the born-rich people that i know. but i guess there are tons of good ones too that work hard."

Paul did that?

[Edited on September 15, 2006 at 10:16 AM. Reason : .]

9/15/2006 10:15:47 AM

yeah man. i drove out there with like 500 bucks in cash and a creditcard.. cause i was so desperate to get the fuck away from all the drama in raleigh (and i think he knew this and had planned on taking my money). anyways, thankfully, i never had to live off the card like i was prepared to, cause i got a job within a couple days of getting there. but it turned out that he was taking my credit card out of my wallet at night and filling up his car... and i gave him a bunch of money for bills after i got a couple paychecks out there, and he threw me out as soon as the check cleared. like threatening to call cops and shit. total pussy. kid turned out to be a total piece of shit. so i stayed at a motel out there till my last paycheck came in, then i cashed it and left arizona. wild shit. luckily for everyone, it all worked out ok.

9/15/2006 10:19:26 AM