AL

'94 Bob Hamelin
'95 Marty Cordova
'98 Ben Grieve
'00 Kaz Susaki
'05 Houston Street

...and the jury is still out on '03 Angel Berroa

NL

'89 Jerome Walton
'96 Todd Hollandsworth
'98 Kerry Wood
'99 Scott Williamson
'02 Jason Jennings

....'94 Raul Mondesi requires debate

5/23/2006 9:39:11 AM

Houston Street?

How can you say he is worthless?

5/23/2006 9:41:30 AM

huston street definately not worthless
he's having a shitty year so far (almost a 5 era) but he's got many years ahead of him

5/23/2006 9:43:54 AM

whats wrong with todd hollandsworth and kerry wood?

5/23/2006 9:44:54 AM

Pat Listach is the worst ever. He never amounted to shit.

I would also add Hinske to that list, I think he was 2002?

2001 was Ichiro and Pujols! Those two kickass.

5/23/2006 9:45:25 AM

maybe not worthless. i guess he can go in the category with Berroa

this thread was encouraged by Street's performance against my Sox last night

5/23/2006 9:45:31 AM

damn

2001 is a strong fucking class

name another year that both ROY's have won MVPs

5/23/2006 9:47:26 AM

Andre Dawson and Eddie Murray were together way back.

Those two turned out ok.

Did Dawson win an MVP?

5/23/2006 9:49:30 AM

Huston Street is just experiencing the sophmore slump.

5/23/2006 9:53:10 AM

Hollandsworth

victim of injury, sucking and getting traded all the damned time.
12 major league seasons, only 5 of them did he play over 100 games.
most HR in a season is 19 (Dodgers/Rockies).
most RBI is 67 (Rockies/Rangers)


Wood

expectations were too high
another victim of injury
25 wins over the past 3+ seasons yet has earned $23.69million over that time
plays for the Cubs

5/23/2006 9:53:30 AM

dawson won one

i don't think murray did though

5/23/2006 9:53:59 AM

Damn in 1967 it was Tom Seaver and Rod Carew.

That is the best ever, well for now till Pujols hits 800 homers.

5/23/2006 9:55:01 AM

http://baseball-almanac.com/awards/aw_mvp.shtml

Murray never won one

5/23/2006 9:56:13 AM

^i just saw that on wikipedia

good year

5/23/2006 9:57:13 AM

`87 - benito santiago and mark mcgwire

interesting

5/23/2006 9:59:41 AM

Quote :

"whats wrong with todd hollandsworth and kerry wood?"

do you even keep up with baseball?

hollandsworth is completely sub-par compared to any OF-ROY. wood is goddamn injured more than he's not, some worth he's got there...

5/23/2006 11:18:21 AM

Easy on Huston Street, he's messed up twice this season, and last night he got dinged on his first pitch thrown, he'll be a ten M man in 4 years with Wagner and Rivera

5/23/2006 11:27:16 AM

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"...and the jury is still out on '03 Angel Berroa"

How? The guy is absolutely horrible. Granted he plays for the lowly Royals, but look at his stats the last three years (sorry they looked fucked up). Dude has one walk this entire season!! Plus he hasn't had an OPS over 700 in three years and is progressively getting worse and slower. Definitely a bust.

CAREER BATTING STATS
Year TM G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS OBP SLG OPS AVG
2003 KC 158 567 92 163 28 7 17 73 29 100 21 5 .338 .451 .789 .287
2004 KC 134 512 72 134 27 6 8 43 23 87 14 8 .308 .385 .693 .262
2005 KC 159 608 68 164 21 5 11 55 18 108 7 5 .305 .375 .680 .270
2006 KC 40 147 11 35 7 0 2 13 1 29 1 1 .248 .327 .575 .238

Career 526 1962 259 529 92 19 38 193 81 344 48 19 .312 .394 .706 .270


Also where is Hideo Nomo on that list. Yeah he had a couple of good years, but he stole the ROY from Chipper thanks to the shitty West Coast writers.

5/23/2006 12:05:47 PM

Fucking Ben Grieve. I thought he was going to be nasty and I went out and bought a few of his rookie cards. Waste of a couple bucks there.

5/23/2006 12:13:32 PM

^^ you don't stumble onto 3 straight 200+ strikeout seasons

5/23/2006 12:19:28 PM

This thread sucks ass.

5/23/2006 12:39:04 PM

Jason Jennigns is tearing shit up

5/23/2006 1:28:50 PM

I would pick up wood for my team

i mean, i'm not gonna say that for hollandsworth, but i guess i have a different standard of worthless

i mean, there are what 750 guys in MLB?

i'd say he has to be better than 30%-40% of them

5/23/2006 1:30:55 PM

Quote :

"Pat Listach is the worst ever."

5/23/2006 1:40:38 PM

i would pick up wood for my team

if i had five solid starters and need someone to make rehab starts in A ball all year long

5/23/2006 1:42:02 PM

Quote :

"Jason Jennigns is tearing shit up "

2006: 2-4 with a ~5.00 ERA.....i hope you were being sarcastic

career: 4 games over .500 W/L, +5.00 ERA, 1.4 K/BB, .290 Opp. BA

5/23/2006 3:14:51 PM

Quote :

"would pick up wood for my team if i had five solid starters and need someone to make rehab starts in A ball all year long"

>.<

HE'S LIKE JR OK
IF HE CAN EVER FUCKING PLAY LIKE HE IS SUPPOSED TO

K'S OUT THE ASS

5/23/2006 3:23:17 PM

Griffey doesn't pitch

5/23/2006 3:27:31 PM

'89 Gregg Olson Baltimore - He had a nasty curve... but had 2 good years

5/23/2006 3:58:14 PM

^^you know what i mean

5/23/2006 4:21:17 PM

Quote :

"'94 Raul Mondesi requires debate"

no he doesn't, he fucking sucks

5/23/2006 4:23:47 PM

i was just asking for debate

not saying i think the guy is great. simply trying to make ST interesting

same reason i added Street to the list

5/23/2006 11:45:37 PM

didn't hollandsworth have a good couple years with the cubs a couple yearsago?

5/23/2006 11:54:27 PM

NO ONE has good years with the Cubs

Wrigley Stadium is a black hole of stench

5/23/2006 11:56:58 PM

I agree with most of these, especially Wood. I love the Bob Hamelin reference

I have to disagree with Sasaki and Williamson. Sasaki was a top notch closer (even though I think closers are overrated, he was good at what he did) for several years and Williamson was a valuable relief man. They weren't stars but they weren't worthless by any stretch of the imagination. I would argue that Williamson was very valuable to the bosox the year they won the series, he was dominant in the playoffs that year.

Street, come on, it is only his second year.

Mondesi was a very productive player 6 or 7 years, I don't think there is any argument that he was valuable. To say he sucked is to proclaim your ignorance on the subject. Sorry.



[Edited on May 24, 2006 at 2:08 AM. Reason : as]

5/24/2006 2:06:46 AM

Quote :

"i was just asking for debate simply trying to make ST interesting"

5/24/2006 9:20:05 AM

yeah, I believe hamelin beat out manny ramirez.

5/24/2006 12:30:12 PM

can we do worthless recent All-Star Selections next?

LANCE CARTER

5/25/2006 12:22:26 AM

Has it really been eight years since Kerry Wood broke into the league? Damn.

5/25/2006 12:24:55 AM

how about Nick Swisher though

hot shit

5/25/2006 9:50:27 PM

Quote :

"Wrigley Stadium "

5/25/2006 9:55:20 PM

please tell me you got the reference

5/25/2006 9:56:28 PM

^

5/25/2006 9:58:56 PM

thank you

5/25/2006 9:59:26 PM