alright, I fell for the coates spherical rotary valve with its springless rotating lobes, but at least that was still a reciprocating piston IC engine. This thing, the MYT engine (massive yet tiny) is making the rounds at my favorite sites, and I really think it's a crock, if not for their claim that displaces 850 cubic inches (they're counting 32 firings in a cycle despite there really only being 8 combustion chambers that fire four times in the course of a full rotation), but for the fact that they run compressed air through it and claim it's "doing work," and then go on to say "it'll probably be able to get 100 mpg" based on it weighing so much less than other motors.

Thought I'd let y'all weigh in on it, I'm pretty sure this is one unusually well-regarded hoax.

http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/news/very-powerful-motor-tiny-engine-makes-mad-grunt-167111.php

http://angellabsllc.com/resourse.html

http://www.plug2work.com/angellabsllc/d/faq2.html

http://www.angellabsllc.com/

4/14/2006 11:12:53 AM

will it be on ebay soon?

i hear that if you dont like the max bid you can just get one of your buddies to bid up the price

what would this go for?

4/14/2006 11:31:25 AM

dude, that happened, that got [OLD], a year of school went by, I finished my degree, took a long vacation, got hired for a job out-of-state, relocated and got used to the area for a few weeks, started the 6-week-long training, finished training and started examining, been doing it for ~7 months now, took an LSAT course, took the LSAT twice, applied to law schools all over the country, waited to hear back, got in, am contemplating how much hair I lost since you got me with those first clever ebay comments, and now have to ask you,

has webster's rescheduled your photoshoot yet? because the picture of your face next to [OLD] in my outdated dictionary is the same one in the current version that's about to be replaced. holy shit are you out of material. die.;

4/14/2006 11:46:39 AM

A young man is walking down by the docks one day and decides to stop by a bar and have a beer. He walks into a bar, and sees a grizzled old fisherman, crying into his beer. Curious, the young man sits down and says, “Hey old timer, why the long face?”
The old man looks at him and points out the window, “See that dock out there? I built that dock with my own two hands, plank by plank, nail by nail, but do they call me Simon the dockbuilder? No,no."


The old man continued, “And see that ship out there? I ’ve been fishing these waters for going on thirty-five years! but do they call me Simon the fisherman? No,no. ”


The old man starts to cry again, “But you fuck one goat … ”

4/14/2006 11:50:45 AM

blah blah blah bullshit. I don't give a care about my shill-bidding that I did once, I'm not even embarassed. I'd do it again. hell, I'd fuck a goat like the guy in the joke above if it'd result in you having something valuable to say.

What I care about is parasites like you, who are absolutely incapable of contributing to a conversation. Did you notice the topic of this thread? you are absolutely worthless. It was a theory, but then I looked at your recent posts. Most of the time you're incapable of a complete sentence. I don't give a care about whether you are the all-time mack daddy of internet arguments, what I care about is a distraction from my boring job where I get to think about engines instead of bug-zapper patent applications that haven't a snowball's chance in hell of getting patented. Give me that dignity and either put a bullet in your brain or get the fuck off TWW

4/14/2006 11:55:57 AM

so, the second chance offer is coming soon?

4/14/2006 1:00:55 PM

Quote :

"dude, that happened, that got [OLD], a year of school went by, I finished my degree, took a long vacation, got hired for a job out-of-state, relocated and got used to the area for a few weeks, started the 6-week-long training, finished training and started examining, been doing it for ~7 months now, took an LSAT course, took the LSAT twice, applied to law schools all over the country, waited to hear back, got in, am contemplating how much hair I lost since you got me with those first clever ebay comments, and now have to ask you,"

haha

4/14/2006 1:07:59 PM

1st this is garage not who has beef w/ danmangt40 (i actually like the guy)

2nd i think this engine will have serious heat issues cause if a normal engine can create enough heat to harm the engine... this thing is sure to with "twice the displacement" and 1/4 the weight.

4/14/2006 1:27:38 PM

Quote :

"blah blah blah bullshit. I don't give a care about my shill-bidding that I did once, I'm not even embarassed. I'd do it again. hell, I'd fuck a goat like the guy in the joke above if it'd result in you having something valuable to say. "

The fact you are in law school, and might some day represent someone as an ethical representation of our criminal justice system, scares the shit out of me.

And time passing and normal things happening doesn't change who you are, as is obvious by your responses to the trolling in this thread. You are still fucking retardedly defensive, thickheaded pseudo-intellectual. You obviously haven't learned anything in life, social skill or common sense.

[Edited on April 14, 2006 at 1:43 PM. Reason : .]

4/14/2006 1:41:14 PM

funny, the fact that he is in law school scares the shit out of me because hes a fucking dumbass

4/14/2006 1:45:28 PM

well that's obvious, being an unethical dumbass is what put me over the top

4/14/2006 1:51:42 PM

gee thanks guys, good thread we got goin here. Noen, get the fuck over yourself. Like shill bidding on ebay over a mislabeled cellphone is some sort of offense as dangerous to the fabric of society as jaywalking. Your daily ego-fest that you have to bestow upon us in every board on this site has never helped, entertained, or enlightened anyone. I like talking about cars despite not being a guru of your supposed caliber, and hence I'm in the garage, asking questions and posting niftiness and not actually building anything. You're just as bad as that instigating troll, tyler, with your quick-to-condemn self righteousness. I hope you're put in a pickle some day and a slithery lawyer makes you pay through the ass for something as lighthearted as double-parking.

[Edited on April 14, 2006 at 2:08 PM. Reason : .]

4/14/2006 2:05:54 PM

"I'm smarter than you"

"hey, remember that time when you did that thing? yeah thought I'd bring that up"

"you're a douche"

"you're an idiot"

"you're unethical"

what the fuck does this have to do with the MYT engine hoax. fuck all of you who can't ignore the SNs on the left of the posts and just fucking kick around some info about cars. dammit.

4/14/2006 2:10:04 PM

i didn't have to see the user name next to your post to know who wrote it. its just like every other post you make. you sound like an over exicted little boy who doesn't know shit and to compensate you pull information out of your ass. and you consistently double post

4/14/2006 2:13:23 PM

there's infinite information in the world, we're all incapable of comprehending a significant fraction of any of it for very long, which is what makes anyone who insists they're an expert on anything is a self-inflated liar who is incapable of imagining outside of his own local epiphanies bounded by his prejudices and singular perspective. Being inquisitive and someone who posts excitedly in an unknowing daze is the flavor of life. Imagine knowing everything and knowing what everyone was going to say, ever. What a boring world that would be. I make no apologies for my interest in posting anything I find that is nifty and automotive-related in the garage whenever I feel like it, and I feel entitled to damn anyone who wants to rain on my parade rather than help me find fun everyday. fuck you slut.

4/14/2006 2:23:19 PM

anyways back on topic. that motor up top looks a hell of a lot further a long than the one in the danmobile

4/14/2006 2:24:33 PM

^hey, you know I used to fall over a lot when I was a kid. I've been locked in a locker twice, one was a half-locker, beat that! I threw up on the prom queen, accidentally kicked a woman in the head falling out of bounds in high school, I scored on the wrong basket and cried publicly in a mandatory-attendance of the middle school intramural championship game, I've been slapped by a woman in front of my friends for asking her out, you think my embarassments faze me?! I just don't want my threads hijacked anymore, is that too much to ask? How about we start a board just for every time someone saw me mess something up? would that make you all happy? You all seem to think I have some sort of self-impressed position? All I have is my logic and the fact that you all repeatedly go outside the scope of the topic to put yourselves up. I'm a sad dude, but I don't have shit on you guys, you must really really need the ego boost to not have even brought up the MYT's undisclosed central structure that somehow makes the ratcheting behavior of the sets of pistons into a smooth turn of an output shaft. christ.


and that last post wasn't even close to a return to topic. You stab at the danmobile, where the motor I was going to use was the only thing that ever DID exist. It was a leaky, rusty LT1 out of an impala SS I bought with a 4L60e (which I was going to sell independently) for ~$1100, and I'm pretty sure there isn't a motor on the planet that can claim to be "further along" than an iron-block-and-heads, pushrod, smallblock chevy.

[Edited on April 14, 2006 at 2:35 PM. Reason : yeah, it's a double post, what? I had more to say. ]

4/14/2006 2:30:55 PM

Quote :

"Noen, get the fuck over yourself. Like shill bidding on ebay over a mislabeled cellphone is some sort of offense as dangerous to the fabric of society as jaywalking. Your daily ego-fest that you have to bestow upon us in every board on this site has never helped, entertained, or enlightened anyone. I like talking about cars despite not being a guru of your supposed caliber, and hence I'm in the garage, asking questions and posting niftiness and not actually building anything.[quote] The fact that you look at ETHICS as a sliding value system is what makes me so fucking scared of you. I'm not talking about legality of what you did, this isn't criminal. My ego-fest? What because I have self-confidence? Or maybe because I take general interest in a lot of things and like to help others when I can? I said nothing about wanting you to be a guru, or anything about measuring up to me or anyone else intellectually. You don't prompt discussions about anything, this topic included. You read some surface articles about some new technology, you spit out a bunch of numbers about said technology, and then daydream about it. [quote]You're just as bad as that instigating troll, tyler, with your quick-to-condemn self righteousness. I hope you're put in a pickle some day and a slithery lawyer makes you pay through the ass for something as lighthearted as double-parking."

How am I condemning you? I made an ACCURATE statement regarding your behavior and complete lack of ethical behavior and thought. Stating facts is not condemnation.

And the REASON people give you such a hard time about it a year later, is because YOU HAVEN'T REALIZED HOW FUCKING SHITHEADED IT WAS TO DO. And the last statement is EXACTLY the reason you have no fucking business practicing law. It's called ETHICS. And lucky for me I happen to surround myself with pretty ethical and just people, lawyers included.

Quote :

"I've been locked in a locker twice, one was a half-locker, beat that! I threw up on the prom queen, accidentally kicked a woman in the head falling out of bounds in high school, I scored on the wrong basket and cried publicly in a mandatory-attendance of the middle school intramural championship game, I've been slapped by a woman in front of my friends for asking her out, you think my embarassments faze me?! I just don't want my threads hijacked anymore, is that too much to ask? How about we start a board just for every time someone saw me mess something up? would that make you all happy? You all seem to think I have some sort of self-impressed position? All I have is my logic and the fact that you all repeatedly go outside the scope of the topic to put yourselves up. I'm a sad dude, but I don't have shit on you guys, you must really really need the ego boost "

You ever think maybe the reason you have so much stupid shit happen to you is because you fucking deserve it? Karma is a bitch son.

Maybe if you quit pie-in-the-sky daydreaming ALL the damn time, you might stop and think about the situations you find yourself like the above, and such shit things wouldn't roll your way all the time. Maybe if you LEARNED from your MISTAKES, you wouldn't be caught in the sad cycle you claim to have gone through. Curiosity isn't a bad thing, neither is inquistiveness, but unmetered anything is bad news.

While it's very possible that I come across as self-righteous and or egotistical on this site, I treat everyone with the same level of respect they give to me. People who act like civil, intelligent, thoughtful people get the same in return. Kids who act like fucking idiots get treated in the same way.

And for all the fucking HELP I gave you in private back when you were get shitted on, this is a great way to you know, be civil to someone who took time out to try and assist you. But you see, I'm not a petty little shit, so I'm not going to air your bad laundry.

4/14/2006 4:41:25 PM

how many posts about the engine?

hahahaha

4/14/2006 4:57:03 PM

I am amazed at the level of hostility I've posted with today, and ashamed. I think that the anonymity of teh intarnet may result in a de-humanizing behavior where no one thinks about how others will feel as a result. And so it just escalates, like we're talking to an inhuman program like Smarterchild or something. Noen, would we have been so harsh to one another face-to-face before ever having had the "shouting matches" that came about today and earlier? Something to think about.

But damn, all I wanted to do was shoot the shit about a wacky engine....

and by the way:

Quote :

"The fact you are in law school, and might some day represent someone as an ethical representation of our criminal justice system, scares the shit out of me. And time passing and normal things happening doesn't change who you are, as is obvious by your responses to the trolling in this thread. You are still fucking retardedly defensive, thickheaded pseudo-intellectual. You obviously haven't learned anything in life, social skill or common sense. "

how the hell is that showing the respect someone give you? That was the first strike, brah. or did you take the shill-bidding thing personally? In which case I got nuthin' because then I suppose you'd be offended if I did anything.

[Edited on April 14, 2006 at 5:58 PM. Reason : .]

4/14/2006 5:49:43 PM

I don't really know anything about engines, but if they were serious, wouldn't they come up with a better name than Massive Yet Tiny. Surely they could make up a new word or something to make it sound better.

Basically, I think it's a hoax because of the name. MYT sounds an awful lot like MIT (who comes up with legimate advances in technology). So theres my two cents.

4/14/2006 9:18:02 PM

sheesh people, stick to the the topic.

way to destroy a thread.

anyway, more info:

Quote :

"Angel Labs has developed a new type of internal combustion engine known as the “Massive Yet Tiny” engine. It “has the potential to replace all the existing internal combustion engines and jet engines,” according to the inventor. It reportedly has a power to weight ratio 40 times higher than a regular internal combustion engine. A 14-inch, 150-pound MYT would reportedly have the same power as a 32 cylinder diesel engine — putting out 858 horsepower. Video and more info after the jump… Below is Angel Labs’ official explanation of the technology: The prototype has a 14 inch diameter and is 14 inches long. It weighs 150lbs. There are only 26 moving parts, 31 parts total. The first prototype uses diesel or biodiesel for fuel. Through two revolutions of its crankshaft, the ME firing cycle is equivalent to a 32 cylinder reciprocating engine, that is, it fires 32 times. As a result, its displacement is equivalent to an 848 cubic inch reciprocating engine, despite its compactness. This displacement comparison is derived as follows: (3.1416*(3)(3)*3.75)/4*32 = 848 cubic inches, with a 3? bore and 3.75? stroke, four stroke cycle and thirty two firings. The design is also modular. Additional units can be connected to increase power. The ME is actually a large (extremely efficiently organized) displacement internal combustion engine; therefore its high horsepower output. Moreover, with the high number of cylinders firing in close order, a high number of pulses are generated for high torque, but without the friction and parasitic losses discussed below. At 150lbs, the basic ME design needs only to produce 3,000 hp from 848 cubic inches to produce a 20 to 1 power to weight ratio. (We are assuming less than 4 hp per cubic inch of displacement. Racing engines based on conventional design perform up to 5+ hp per cubic inch of displacement with Super/Turbo Charge. With Normally Aspirated, it will generate minimum 850 horse powers.) To our knowledge, only the latest jet engine has finally attained a 20 to 1 power to weight ratio. By replacing the rear cover of the ME and connecting another ME chamber assembly (adding two inches in length and little additional weight) the ME now becomes a 64 cylinder engine with 1,695 cubic inches raising the power to weight ratio up to 40 to 1. Since the ME lacks the 80% of the parts normally found in a reciprocating internal combustion engine that is responsible for high friction and parasitic losses, this normally dormant horsepower is now available and would increase the total deliverable output of the ME. Normally, in a compression ignition (diesel) engine, combustion begins @ TDC (Top Dead Center) @ 0 degree crankshaft position. The expanding gases push the piston down on the power stroke, rotating the crankshaft 180 degrees. The piston then returns to TDC pushing the exhaust at the exhaust stroke, rotating the crankshaft another 180 degrees. This is the burning time in a standard engine, a total of 360 degrees duration. On a dynamometer, an engine’s combustion temperatures is typically measured 2? from the exhaust ports, on the premise that the combustion temperature is very close to exhaust temperature. This is due to the zero degree duration @ TDC and the 360 degrees running duration of a standard engine. However, if @TDC, the piston is allowed to stay for a longer duration, it will burn a greater percentage of the fuel and air mixture in the combustion chamber until oxygen or fuel theoretically runs out at the end of the power stroke, thereby totally completing the combustion process and drastically lowering the exhaust temperature at the end of the exhaust stroke. The ME design permits the piston dwell @TDC to be adjustable and the prototype ME is currently set at approximately 12 degrees of the crankshaft rotation, thereby approaching the perfection of a complete burn of all fuel. Its exhaust gases are much cooler. As a result: More energy is harnessed for the same amount of fuel and air input. There is less left over fuel to continue to burn at the exhaust stroke. There is less waste and pollution The higher compression ratios used in diesel engines result in greater thermal expansion of gases in the cylinder. The end result is a high percentage of fuel energy being converted into useful power. (When running the ME with Bio fuels, the same fuel is used to lubricate the crankcase.) In the ME design, a compression ratio as high as 70:1 can be attained due to the absence of the restrictive reciprocating components. Specifically: The combustion chambers in the ME have no design limitations due to the absence of valves. (The internal combustion engine is an air pump. Airflow through intake and exhaust ports are normally restricted by valves. The ME has no valve –just open ports with no restriction. Air flow action is one way.) There are no odd or brand new parts within the cylinder. All the parts are proven designs used in reciprocating engines. The entire engine acts as a heat sink and a radiator. It is both air and oil cooled. There is no thrust loading on piston skirts. Pistons do not touch the cylinder walls, only the rings do. Pistons travel only the same direction. No reciprocation, only stop and go. There is high rpm potential for all of these reasons. There are no cylinder heads, no cam shaft, no valves (the ME is equivalent to the bottom end of a reciprocating engine). Intake compression and power stroke and exhaust stroke events are happening all at the same time, so there are no load strokes."

4/25/2006 8:38:30 AM