It appears that SG is trying to change the constitution so that anyone that has paid any portion of fees and is enrolled can be in SG. Meaning, an invidual taking one class or someone doing distance ed from anywhere would be eligible for SG positions.


Comments on this?

3/11/2006 11:41:38 AM

Who cares? It's student governemnt. All they do is bicker between each other.

3/11/2006 11:47:39 AM

less time in class means more time in senate chambers talking to walls and discussing robert's rules

but for real though, i dunno what to say...when you say SG positions, what positions...all of them?

3/11/2006 11:48:50 AM

From what I understand, it's all positions.

3/11/2006 11:49:08 AM

so somebody with 3 total credit hours could become SBP?

3/11/2006 11:50:53 AM

Is this designed just to fill more seats in student government, or is this for specific people who are graduating, or realizing they aren't cut out to graduate, and thus either way are no longer full time students but who still want to hang on to the resume building social club a little longer?

3/11/2006 12:01:42 PM

are they calling it the fabricius amendment?

3/11/2006 12:09:34 PM

ehe

lifelong continuing ed sg seat till ya die

[Edited on March 11, 2006 at 12:25 PM. Reason : +]

3/11/2006 12:25:41 PM

They need to change the Constitution to abolish student goverment. I don't know what you'd put in its place, but the whole institution just needs to be scrapped.

3/11/2006 12:55:52 PM

let them run. the voters will decide who they want or don't want in office on election day.

3/11/2006 1:26:23 PM

tingz0r for SBP!

I'd need to see more specifics. There have to be controls built into the system such that a "fee-payer' is well defined. Faculty/staff member technically have fees billed to their account if they take a course at NCSU ... but its waived just as fast. Still, they paid $0 for it. Another case: an individual who is taking a single PE course every semester. The scenarios go on ... again, need some specifics.

3/11/2006 3:26:12 PM

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"let them run. the voters will decide who they want or don't want in office on election day."

ahaha

because our voters are so well-informed about the candidates.

I'd bet >95% of students don't know anything about them.

3/11/2006 4:30:33 PM

^
yeah really. people know hardly anything about the US Congress, why would the Student Government be any different?

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marko: it would apply to all positions, but to run for any of the officer spots you have to be in a "degree-seeking program"

to the few others who wanted more info --

The Constitution currently reads:

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"FRANCHISE AND CITIZENSHIP All students who are regularly enrolled in the University and who have paid the full student activities fee shall be entitled to vote in the Student Body Elections and to participate in Student Body Government."

This has pretty much never been enforced, ever. The people running Student Government took it to mean everyone, even if you only paid a pro-rated fee for being part-time.

When the shitstorm erupted over the J-Board, some words were exchanged between SG people and Administration people that it wasn't a proper interpretation of the Constitution. So they put a referendum on the ballot for this:

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"FRANCHISE AND CITIZENSHIP All students who are regularly enrolled in the University and who have paid the full student activities fee into the fees supporting the Student Body Government shall be entitled to vote in the Student Body Elections and to participate in Student Body Government."

Was it tailored to particular people? Probably; info was given to some of us at Technician that one of the sponsors was one of those pro-rata paying folks.

But I agree with the change -- Student Govt shouldn't be some exclusive club, if you pay the $texas you should be allowed to be in it.


[Edited on March 11, 2006 at 4:42 PM. Reason :  ]

3/11/2006 4:37:56 PM

Another case: You have high school students who take courses at NCSU ... they could participate as well. The list keeps getting better and better...

Note to SG: You really need positive publicity. The publicity needs to be the appealing 5%, not the usual 95% boredom that goes with most jobs. Plz to work with Technician, as they are in the same building as you.

[Edited on March 11, 2006 at 6:32 PM. Reason : .]

3/11/2006 6:32:00 PM

I'd like to opt out of the SG and keep my $$. I can spend them better.

3/11/2006 6:35:27 PM

Disband SG. It's useless.

3/11/2006 10:56:46 PM

Haha Perlith!
Best case senario, your SBP is a highschool kid from orange county who needed to have a credit to gradutate highschool. He has never seen the campus. The vice president is the kid taking 1 hour pe but liked the aptmosphere and the title looks good. The treasurer and chief justice are auditing 3 hour classes, they prefer to spend thier time at thier real jobs working in talley student center setting up tables. And the entire senate is the graduating class from Enloe who think this just might help them get in. How'd they get there? The well informed voters... a catchy slogan and a cool looking name.
or we could have full time students.

3/11/2006 11:39:02 PM

"i'm SG and it's plain to see that i'm SG and my name is SG"
-Space Ghost

3/12/2006 12:09:10 AM

I agree, they should be dissolved if they can’t be radically changed. High school student government experience seemed to be about planning school wide events to promote morale, school pride, and just fun things to pass the time; they lobbying school administration on behalf of the students, and working cooperatively with other on campus groups & people in the community to increase our reputation. It was a fun extracurricular, not a social club with drama that you lived and died by.

Student government at NCSU seems to be an effort to bicker, impeach people at the end of their terms, and waste money in a way that reflects poorly on the school as a whole.

A group for the disbandment of SG (I think it’d be great if tdub was able to turn this into a large group)
http://ncst.facebook.com/group_profile.php?gid=9569

But for as long as its around we might as well try to get good people into it... and Sara Yasin seems pretty cool.
http://ncst.facebook.com/group_profile.php?gid=12564

3/12/2006 11:41:36 AM

TWW needs to run a slate again

3/12/2006 3:06:37 PM

who could replace the pirate cap though?

3/12/2006 4:42:55 PM

Depends -- are we talking in terms of SG-mocking ability, or acting/costume skills?

3/12/2006 4:58:02 PM

I voted for the Pirate Captain. I'd vote for mickey mouse or a spider monkey if that meant the SG got dissolved.

3/12/2006 6:23:47 PM

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"Who cares? It's student governemnt."

[Edited on March 12, 2006 at 6:36 PM. Reason : I don't need the entire quote to get the job done]

3/12/2006 6:36:36 PM

"acting/costume skills"

More that angle, but both to some degree. will the next person try to be ultra rational, push the crazy even farther, or find some middle ground?

3/12/2006 7:57:53 PM

does this have anything to do with Gary Palin Jr?

3/13/2006 1:21:41 AM

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"ahaha because our voters are so well-informed about the candidates. I'd bet >95% of students don't know anything about them."

because it doesn't really matter who is elected anyway.

3/13/2006 1:48:15 AM

Look, plain and simple, SG is a bunch of shit, pure, unadulterated bullshit. Basically, all they want is to feel important because most of them cannot do it elsewhere. The judicial board does nothing but decides who stays and who goes from cheating, yet the Senate still wants power over them. I joined SG 4 years ago under jackleg's whole idea of making a difference with the qualifications to hold office, basically people hopped on that campaign to get elected and others secured our support by stressing the issue. But when the time came to actually support and vote on the issue, everyone decided that they shouldnt do it. All most Senators want is to get money for their groups and try to act and feel important. Look at Tracy Hutcherson, he is like 40 years old, and all he does is audit one class so he can stay in SG. Gary Palin had no life outside of SG and was devastated when they did kick him out (and this guy is also one of the biggest assholes you will ever meet). Fabrcius just wants to leave his lasting impression of what he has done for all 7 years he has been in school with all the long standing shit he is trying to pass this year. When I got there, it didnt seem so bad, but that was only because the new people dont see everything that goes on. I wanted to be involved in government operations when I first arrived, but I got pushed to Ticket Distribution. So come to find out, Dustin Choe gives tix to his entire frat and lots of other people he knows just to gain popularity, but then snubs the people that actually help him out, but that is "the way things are" Hell, I tried to put a stop to it, I reported it to both the SBP and the SSP, but they wanted it that way. But a few years later, I managed to take over the system simply because there was no one else to do it. When I got there, I told people there was a difference between taking 2-4 vouchers and taking over 10. I considered that an improvement over the way it was before. Yeah, I hooked up a few of my friends (maybe 4 or 5 a game) with tix, but that was after everyone who had worked with me was taken care of. And no one cared. Then enter Will Quick and his band of faggots. First, Carvano tries to tell me how Im going to do my job, which I refuse. It turned out later they promised one of their frat fags the job of ticket admin, but I got myself re-appointed before they knew how to do it. Then they get their agriculture fags, birdsell and small, to spy on me, and blow out of proportion everything that might seem suspicious. Then comes Will Quick, who in October knew everything, says that everything is fine and just to keep it quiet. Then they start wanting me to give tickets to their friends who didnt do anything. WHen I reuse that, Quick starts threatening my job and shit. Then when its time to get himself elected SBP, he launches his holy crusade against the evil ticket system that he "knew nothing about before" It turns out later, he got that investigation started because of rumors that other shady shit he had done with funds and shit was going to get looked into. So they make me out to be the bad guy, but I was partially to blame. But in fact it was Will Quick who coordinated hundreds of vouchers to his frat. Then you get them wanting me to resign so his boy Zach adams could take over the system, but I refused long enough to get through campout, which leaves them to run one game, WFU, which they fucked up royally. So then everyone uses it on their platform that it needs to be fixed, including Will Langley, who was supposed to be on my side, but instead decided to lie and say he told me to resign, when in fact I bit the bullet for him and a bunch of his guys, cause I kept quiet about what him and his associates did. But in the end, a fucking Pirate wins the election, showing how much the student body really care about SG. The only reason I even came back this year was to make sure campout was done right, and these guys had no clue how to do it, but I have made sure that campout will be in good hands for you guys next year. And they wanted to impeach me again, because I acted like the typical student this time around, and just didnt give a shit about SG. It was mainly Hutcherson and his friend Walton, who by the way cries like a baby when he loses elections. And they suceeded in getting me out, after campout, just like last year. They are for the most part a failure at everything they do. They protest higher tution and it still goes up. The admin has pretty much shown it does not have to listen to the student voice anymore. A stronger SG would fight for our tailgating restrictions, more student input in tickets, more campus issues that affect students, but thats not going to happen. I was going to run for SBP just to get certain issues across, but it looks like Paul Cousins is still pissed because he couldnt do anything to me last year after the voucher shit, because I would not confess to anything. And I have a job opportunity that I cannot refuse, so my plans of a Master's degree will just have to wait. I may be back someday, but I expect the system will only be worse then. The only way its going to get better is if people try to fix it themselves and not depend on others to do it. But now you people know how bad most of SG is, there are a few in there who want to change things, but there are so few, they cannot do it. Who knows maybe this year will be different, but I doubt it. This is the last I am ever going to talk about SG on here, it just is not worth it anymore. Im sure at least a few of them will be pissed enough to call me up and yell at me tomorrow, but my cell phone contract ends on Thursday, and Im getting a new number when I renew.

Scott

3/13/2006 3:11:24 AM

why the fuck did you even write that. not only does no one give a shit about SG, no one is going to read a big ass block of text about it.

3/13/2006 3:14:52 AM

ok i guess not, every dumbass on this site will say look a long block, im not going to read it, and be and ass and post that huh?

i wouldnt give a shit if they did

3/13/2006 3:19:24 AM

My view is that if you pay fees into SG, you better have representation in SG. Not all students are full-time, but admins in Student Affairs feels that only full-time students should participate. One is Dr. Deb Luckadoo, who I spoke to in person two weeks ago about this. She feels that action should be taken on the part of the administration to re-interpret SG's scope to only include full-time enrolled students because the students in SG do not agree with her stance, as they have for many years disagreed with it, not changing to her liking on their own.

Being a full-time student myself, it doesn't affect me personally, but would have quite an impact on the organization. It would take away some people, especially representation from Lifelong students and Seniors in some cases. Sure it will cut out some people like Tracy Hutcherson (who does a lot for SG, good/bad is up to personal interpretation, but is hated by the administration) but the impact it will also have is creating a SG that doesn't have a decent opportunity to represent all students.

I respect where Dr. Luckadoo is coming from, but I also respectfully disagree the actions she is urging others (Dr. Stafford) to take and the vision she has for SG.

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"They need to change the Constitution to abolish student goverment. I don't know what you'd put in its place, but the whole institution just needs to be scrapped."

Really it doesn't need to be destroyed, you just need people in the positions who want to be effective and involved (not future professionals looking for a boost to the resume or people wanting to further already set political agendas... republican, democrat or libertarian... I can throw out examples later on how this has happened this year and in the past). Too, Senate meetings need to be played down in importance, but that is only my opinion. SG helps develop people that will become more involved in the University community once they leave... and the members of SG do grow if they let themselves. Overall it's good, but has a lot of room to mature... you shouldn't chop down a tree due to a few sour apples.

3/13/2006 4:14:26 AM

Where are all my smaller government republicans at?

3/13/2006 9:01:04 AM

http://ncst.facebook.com/group_profile.php?gid=9569

That group has gone from 3 to 22 and growing since it was posted on tdub. It seems like there atleast some who feel senate isn't worth while.

I offered a new statement of purpose for the group

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"Realizing that this part of student government can never change into an effective body to advocate student rights towards the administration & community, into a group that effectively organizes a sufficient & successful quantity of school pride & fund raising events, and achieve a reputation above that of resume builders disinterested in real improvements for the common student, we advocate that student senate be dissolved and that other branches of student government take up true leadership in the absence of student senate. "

3/13/2006 6:08:07 PM

I was appointed one of the senior CALS Senate seats at the beginning of last semester, and I resigned this semester, mostly because I had conflicts (I'm a pledgemaster and our pledge meetings were occurring during Senate meetings, something I had no control over, and the rehearsals for a music group I'm in were rescheduled for during the Agri-Life meetings, once again out of my control).

Senate is full of great people who only want to do good things for their fellow students (Compton, Phillips, and Yasin, to name some of the more active ones). However, their voices are most often drowned-out by the self-promoting, pompous asses that only care about their own image on a resume or have no life (Walton, Fabricius, Hutcherson-who's a good guy but needs to just give it a rest). They throw out accusations of the Administration like there's no tomorrow and bicker constantly, which is why no one takes them seriously. If they had just put aside their own ideals of what a SBP should be, instead of opposing him at every turn, then a lot more could have been done this year.

Can I offer a solution? No, not unless people are willing to open their minds and accept change, and put aside personal agendas and vendettas for the greater good. If that takes abolishing the Senate and rebuilding a new, better system... so be it.

As for the change in the constitution, I think having a Senate seat or two for part-time students would be a better compromise.

[Edited on March 13, 2006 at 7:19 PM. Reason : .]

3/13/2006 7:18:27 PM

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"They throw out accusations of the Administration like there's no tomorrow and bicker constantly, which is why no one takes them seriously."

I recall the same thing from my time in Student Senate. There were a few people that just seemed to believe that every administrator had a forked tongue.

3/13/2006 10:14:38 PM

Reforming the essence of SG may or may not be a good idea. Regardless, if somebody is going to do it, then DO IT. Talk is cheap ... either make it happen or drop it. If you do decide to do it, keep us posted.

3/14/2006 6:27:37 AM

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"no one is going to read a big ass block of text about it. "

SG as a whole might not need to be destroyed, but senate removal or reform might be good.
http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=393527

3/14/2006 10:45:14 AM

http://tinyurl.com/qpdz6

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"Sorry part-timers By Technician Editorial Board Issue date: 3/16/06 Section: Viewpoint One thing that makes N.C. State great is its diversity. And this time we aren't referring to different races or gender, but rather to the great diversity in age we see across campus each day. Sometimes it feels like we can we see the complete range of life from one to the other across campus. Young parents who bring their children to meetings predominantly populated by the twenty-something college crowd is typical on a campus, and inevitably there is the older generation -- the ones returning to school after many years of work. However, amongst all of the students enrolled on campus there is a group seeking positions in elected offices on campus -- part-time students. From the over-achieving high school student to the senior citizen hammering away at a degree, these students unfortunately should not have the same opportunity to represent their fellow students. We're sorry. We know how hard you are working, but we are being practical about this. If a student cannot commit enough time to enroll full time in the University, how can they be expected to sacrifice the time it takes to hold an office on campus? These college-age politicians do work long hours and commit a majority of their time to campaigning and coming up with frivolous bills and motions. We do not question part-time students' commitment to the University. We are sure their reasons for not enrolling full time are valid, even some of us have been part-time students in the past, and we do not think the time they spend on campus is equivalent to the passion they might have for change. Most of the students involved in Student Government are full-time students and as the campus has witnessed over the past term they do not do very much work or appear to really care about campus. So for all of you part-timers interested in running for Student Government we suggest you add a few hours to your schedule and get your name on the ballot next year. We think working hard to become a full-time will show a commitment most Student Government officials take for granted. We want to hear and write about the student who worked their way up from taking a couple of classes to becoming a full-time student just so they could help change our campus and not just looking to spice up their resume."

3/16/2006 2:05:35 PM

WHO CARES

3/16/2006 2:07:56 PM

may just be a suspicion on my end, but I'd guess all your people trying to get elected...

3/16/2006 2:19:44 PM