1/30/2006 4:40:35 PM
1/30/2006 5:00:06 PM
My fix:#1: Let all the sick people dieResult: No more sick people!
1/30/2006 5:07:52 PM
#2 no fatties
1/30/2006 5:17:16 PM
while im not so sure about where i lie on this one it is nice to see you see all of the negatives that come with the noted positives. makes you sound cold to human suffering though and thus loses you the debate...socialized healthcare!!![Edited on January 30, 2006 at 5:46 PM. Reason : .]
1/30/2006 5:46:03 PM
1/30/2006 6:35:55 PM
1/30/2006 6:35:59 PM
^ Havoc would be a very small price to pay in order to avoid our becoming a socialist "nanny state".....LoneSnark is completely right. #1, #2, and #3 would be great fixes.#4 is good too, but I'd go even further and privatize the FDA. Perhaps not completely, but instead some sort of public-private entity (or entities) similar to the Underwriters Laboratories....Either way you go, there will be some inevitable suffering, but socialism is, well, fucking evil. If the US had to socialize something else, why not socialize something that everyone actually needs equally, not something that irresponsible people need more...Our country has no shortage of idiots who do nothing but eat junk food, chain smoke and drink all day while having lots of unprotected sex with strangers. The idea of individuals like myself having to "subsidize" their health care costs through my tax dollars is nothing short of insane. Advocates of socialized medicine generally fall into three main categories:1) People who like the idea of getting something for "free". (Irresponsible people)2) Stupid liberals that simply "go with the flow", opposing anything "conservative". (Ignorant people)3) Closet socialists that secretly want to abolish the concept of individuality. (Evil people)We must stop Hillary.
1/30/2006 7:49:45 PM
i think you are being a bit harsh in your generalizations hemp. im sure there are plenty of "liberal" people who think it is a good idea, not just to be partisan for fun's sake.by assuming socialism is the grand evil you are oversimplifying the opposition and thus demonizing them irrationally.
1/30/2006 8:26:24 PM
1/30/2006 10:20:28 PM
socialized healthcare aside, some of those revisions to the system scare me. i want a quality, licensed doctor taking care of me, one that can prove his worth. I don't want Dr. Nick coming in and just trying to sell himself as a good doctor. And privatizing the FDA? Ha, yeah, everyone out there with access to the market is trustworthy and wont try to market snake oil. whoopie.i mean, i know you big L's goal is to privatize the firehouse, but come on. ill take a deregulated firehouse before the people who are responsible for lives are allowed free reign to make cash and possibly dupe the public.[Edited on January 30, 2006 at 10:53 PM. Reason : .]
1/30/2006 10:50:21 PM
As a consumer, you should make yourself informed on quality of health care providers. In this day and age of information flow, there is no reason that you cannot make informed decisions on your own health coverage. Ultra-tight regulation of the industry has led to a lack of competition in the market.
1/30/2006 10:57:38 PM
1/30/2006 11:59:50 PM
of course, this is medicine, not electronics.and none of this explains why most countries with socialized systems have high standards of health.then again, whatever's most affordable and avaliable to absolutely everyone...i mean, everyone needs some kind of clinic. as long as everyone has access and its cheap and safe, i dont give a fuck.[Edited on January 31, 2006 at 12:34 AM. Reason : .]
1/31/2006 12:30:12 AM
1/31/2006 1:26:22 AM
1/31/2006 2:10:59 AM
I must need to see an eye doctor.Did Grumpy make a positive, though veiled, comment about socialism (or at least, one socialist country)?
1/31/2006 3:06:52 AM
i think the idea of having to do research, in generally, doesnt work.1) plenty of dumbasses are swayed by deceptive information or dont understand the jargon2) if we do beleive that study posted about american college students not being able to read credit card contracts, why do we think healthcare ones will be magically easierwhile im sure id do fine under your plan, i always assume the avg american aint so bright...which is probably a good assumption when looking at things like economics, healthcare, politics, etc.
1/31/2006 9:22:48 AM
1/31/2006 10:58:50 AM
^^^^dont worry, theyre just expousing their Libertarian Party talking points
1/31/2006 11:47:57 AM
1/31/2006 11:51:20 AM
1/31/2006 12:34:07 PM
1/31/2006 12:36:17 PM
I didn't realize that hating racism was a left/right kind of thing.
1/31/2006 12:45:42 PM
Like I said, Grumpy: "...we are dying not because the system is not-socialized, we are dying because of the problems I outlined. A socialized system fixes these problems and so would a reformed private system as I have outlined."Given two options: keeping the same broken system, and socializing the entire industry, I'd personally sign the bill to nationalize. However, like I stated, such a step would would not work as well as simply fixing the existing private system:#1: "I would suggest that my reforms would be less jarring to the society at large," as we are already used to a privatized system#2: My system would be "far less prone to subsequent strikes as doctors and nurses protest the capping of their salaries," which is not a problem with a privatized system because centers of control are distributed#3: A socialized system eliminates research, for future/better drugs and treatments by instituting price controls, or similar measures. "Yes, drug companies elsewhere in the socialized world still do research, but their goal is to sell in the US Market. Take that away and what is left of Europe's private drug research companies also goes away."#4: A socialized system does not check waste/bad performance as effectively as a private system (if your hospital sucks you have no choices) #5: lack of escape from a socialized system. For example, in other socialized systems, there is a quota of treatments available and if you do not qualify you cannot be treated. At least in America, if your insurance refuses to cover the operation you can still mortgage the house and pay for it yourself. Thankfully, Europeans and Canadians have been able to use America as their escape hatch. To stretch a bit, nationalizing our medical system would do harm to Canada's health statistics.But like I said, all of these can be lived with. Clearly the problems with socialization of health care pale in comparison the the problems with our system of perverse-incentives.[Edited on January 31, 2006 at 1:00 PM. Reason : .,.]
1/31/2006 12:52:09 PM
1/31/2006 1:26:47 PM
1/31/2006 1:29:51 PM
I think we should eradicate doctors all together. They're too expensive.Instead we should have the free market operate directly on patients.
1/31/2006 2:35:17 PM
LOL
1/31/2006 2:40:21 PM
dont you get it? we should shut down nc state, get rid of all this bureaucracy for education, and let the free market educate us directly, without regulation.im going to start attending the Best Buy School of Sales next year.
1/31/2006 2:41:31 PM
My plan depends on invisible hands beng able to hold surgical tools, so we'll see how it goes.
1/31/2006 2:44:13 PM
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1/31/2006 3:12:45 PM
1/31/2006 3:20:02 PM
Furthermore I think all the socialists who want socialized healthcare and other services from the government given to them like children should move to Europe and other socialists countries. Keep the socialist bullshit out of the US and allow the ADULTS to pay their own way.
1/31/2006 3:22:11 PM
</thread>Well, that was fun while it lasted. I guess the thread is over now, the people that don't bother reading and just spit their brain on the keyboard have arrived. Just in case I'm wrong, here is a test:
1/31/2006 3:30:51 PM
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1/31/2006 3:32:02 PM
^^^gg--seriously, if you want a nanny state, then GTFO of my land of liberty and justice.[Edited on January 31, 2006 at 3:33 PM. Reason : ]
1/31/2006 3:32:30 PM
all i see here are a bunch of guys with the same political views and values having a circle jerk.i dont believe that MY TAX DOLLARS that I EARNED WITH MY JOB should go towards this PUBLIC UNIVERSITY that is allowing people like protostar to get a PUBLICLY SUPPORTED education. WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO PAY?CAPITAL LETTERS[Edited on January 31, 2006 at 3:42 PM. Reason : .]
1/31/2006 3:39:06 PM
And what's the deal with me having to pay for all those highways in Alabama that I'll never use?TOTAL BULLSHIT!!1
1/31/2006 3:49:19 PM
1/31/2006 3:51:54 PM
1/31/2006 3:53:56 PM
Oh, and don't forget about the President's salary. If I didn't vote for him, I shouldn't have to employ him.
1/31/2006 3:54:58 PM
LIKE I SAID, IM TIRED OF PAYING FOR A SCHOOL THIS GUY IS USING
1/31/2006 3:57:10 PM
That's why we have the police. And the second amendment. If people wish to riot because they feel they are "entitled" to something, then the appropriate consequences will result. I would have no problem putting down a couple of leeching motherfuckers attempting to destroy/steal my property.
1/31/2006 3:57:53 PM
1/31/2006 3:58:46 PM
WHY SHOULD YOU PAY FOR ME TO SIT HERE AND WASTE TIME ON THE INTERNET
1/31/2006 4:02:32 PM
1/31/2006 4:18:06 PM
1/31/2006 4:39:25 PM
INAPPROPRIATE TAX BURDEN(which i need, so i can complain even more about paying for other's services)
1/31/2006 4:40:31 PM