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QT4U
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are they mostly liberal or conservative things?

i think the answer should be obvious. we cant let the liberal unions, socialists, and supporters of abortion take this country and destroy it like we have.

from what ive read today, liberals want to take the money which PROTECTS us and put it towards their little welfare projects, further weakening america.

and we see now that unions, another liberal group, are destroying industry.

think about it.

1/23/2006 6:40:31 PM

coolguy1335
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what exactly is holding The United States back?

1/23/2006 6:41:15 PM

JonHGuth
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i think the answer should be obvious. we cant let the conservative lobbyists, religious right, and supporters of government in our lives take this country and destroy it like we have.

from what ive read today, conservatives want to take the money which PROTECTS us and put it towards their little warfare projects, further weakening america.

and we see now that corrupt business, another conservative group, are destroying industry.

think about it.

1/23/2006 6:47:17 PM

coolguy1335
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Answer my question please.

1/23/2006 6:51:08 PM

jwb9984
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i'd say its probably only a matter of time before this dumbass is gone.

1/23/2006 6:52:59 PM

ParksNrec
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QT4U is just a more well-spoken (I use that term loosely) THEBIGGIRL.

1/23/2006 6:54:14 PM

QT4U
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^^^thats rich

w/o those little "warfare" projects, you wouldnt have anything else

i direct you to todays news from ford and more evidence of unions wiping out american business

and corrupt business is not the norm. corrupt government is.

1/23/2006 6:54:47 PM

coolguy1335
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^^ True dat, doubt true.

[Edited on January 23, 2006 at 6:55 PM. Reason : b]

1/23/2006 6:55:01 PM

ParksNrec
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corrupt buisness is the foundation of corrupt government.

[Edited on January 23, 2006 at 6:55 PM. Reason : never could spell.]

1/23/2006 6:55:31 PM

marko
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tv

1/23/2006 7:06:27 PM

Lumex
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You're an idiot. The Ford layoffs are because of poor sales, not unions.

1/23/2006 7:11:54 PM

quiet guy
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BIGGIRL4U

1/23/2006 7:23:37 PM

ParksNrec
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ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

that's a keeper

1/23/2006 7:25:52 PM

JonHGuth
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Quote :
"w/o those little "warfare" projects, you wouldnt have anything else"

yeah
our involvement in iraq is protecting my freedoms
right

1/23/2006 7:28:59 PM

LoneSnark
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Well, the layoffs wouldn't be as severe as they are if not for the unions. Where-as ford should have been shedding workers regularly, by eliminating a shift or two, the unions have left ford with perverse options: Close the entire factory or keep every-single worker on.

As for the question, the following things are keeping America down (not suceeding, of course, but slowing us down):
#1: Congressional opennes: because all hearings, meetings, and committee votes are public, the special interest groups can hold individual congressional members accountable, hence control.
#2: Judicial Structural Failure: lack of looser-pays in this country has made lawsuits far too frequent and have become a drain on the industries we need most, particularly medical.
#3: Over Regulation: the FDA and EPA are not overly harmful to the nation as a whole (big companies can usually buy their way out of perverse regulation) but are dramatic killers for some citizens unlucky enough to come in contact with them.
#4: and to an even lesser extent, the drug war: primarily for putting so many non-violent people in prison. Little benefit (reduced drug use is good) with a huge cost (so many fed/housed on government dole and the creation of a profitable black market for the most violent members of society to prosper)

1/23/2006 7:38:26 PM

marko
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#1: tv
#2: gasoline

[Edited on January 23, 2006 at 7:44 PM. Reason : .]

1/23/2006 7:43:32 PM

ssjamind
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i am borderline ashamed

1/23/2006 8:22:56 PM

theDuke866
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oh God, this thread is stupid.

I could go on further, but suffice it to say that the general chronic sucking of liberalism doesn't wash away idiot moves and corruption from the political right.

1/23/2006 8:34:34 PM

ssjamind
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no

its official

i am ashamed

1/23/2006 8:39:20 PM

quiet guy
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isn't the very definition of conservatism to hold back to traditional policies?

1/23/2006 8:57:59 PM

cyrion
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Quote :
"As for the question, the following things are keeping America down (not suceeding, of course, but slowing us down):
#1: Congressional opennes: because all hearings, meetings, and committee votes are public, the special interest groups can hold individual congressional members accountable, hence control.
society to prosper)"


i'm not so sure on that one. what about accountability to the voters. if they could do everything from behind closed doors id think special interest would have even more control and voters would be more screwed.

1/23/2006 9:14:47 PM

LoneSnark
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^ The trick is that voters are not watching C-Span, on average. Besides, non-special-interest voters generally vote based on overall performance (were conservative/liberal ideals honored in final legislation). Final bills have always been public and are generally all the public uses to determine success.

However, historically, special interest stuff would die in committee and every member would walk out and proclaim "look, I tried to help you, but everyone else was against me," something impossible now, because the "special interest" can simply check the congressional records to make sure "their candidate" didn't also mention that their "interest" was bad for the nation as a whole.

1/23/2006 9:39:17 PM

Protostar
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Big government breeds corrupt business. Small government keeps the corps within the accountability of the American people.

1/23/2006 9:42:20 PM

EhSteve
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Obviously, lack of education is not one of the things holding us back.

1/23/2006 9:52:59 PM

nastoute
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apathy

1/23/2006 10:33:04 PM

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