That is the most bullshit fucking thing in the world to try and use on me. I fucking hated Clinton just as much as Bush

so don't try it with me.

12/22/2005 9:14:39 PM

We're just wondering why we didn't hear such a hoopla about it then, since everyone's so damned concerned with it.

12/22/2005 9:17:38 PM

no hoopla?

12/22/2005 9:18:02 PM

I don't think you're thinking about the same incident.

12/22/2005 9:19:31 PM

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12/22/2005 9:24:08 PM

all night long

12/22/2005 9:25:01 PM

Are you talking about the warrantless searches thing? The one that congress explicitly okayed?

12/22/2005 9:38:53 PM

this will blow your mind: micheal moore doesnt like clinton either

12/24/2005 12:14:35 AM

that's some funny ass shit.

Clinton's presidency: *crickets*

Bush's presidency: *RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE* (we hated clinton too ehehe) *RABBLE RABBLE BUSH*

12/24/2005 12:18:43 AM

If Bush had some good stuff going for him, I don't think we would come down on him so hard about everything.

As it is now, we're waiting for him to fuck up so we can pounce. Why do we wanna pounce?

Because when he was running, we warned you. When things started to fall apart, we warned you.

But you didn't listen. Now we have to point it all out over and over again.

"See, we were right!! See? Don't you see it? You don't? Well, we'll just stick around and wait for another example. Maybe you'll see it then."

[Edited on December 24, 2005 at 3:25 PM. Reason : sss]

12/24/2005 3:24:42 PM

Quote :

"Clinton's presidency: *crickets*"

1. the oldest ones of us on this website were like 13 when clinton came in
its not like we had the same kind of vocalness about politics in 1992


2. there wasn't a mass-appeal internet for a decent part/most of Clinton's administration, there certainly wasn't a tww

12/24/2005 3:28:20 PM

i was talking about the media

12/24/2005 4:50:20 PM

Quote :

"(we hated clinton too ehehe)"

i don't believe i've ever heard the media say such a thing

and i'm pretty sure that clinton had his rough periods from the media

maybe not to the extent that bush has it, but bush is a royal fuck up so there is a lot more to scrutinize

plus, there was maybe one or two 24-hour news channels in 1993 (i'm thinking CNN and CNBC maybe)

now there is one just for fucking Raleigh

12/24/2005 5:10:07 PM

If I ever get arrested for murder, I'll just be like BUT OTHER PEOPLE DO IT.

And then they'll set my ass free.

12/24/2005 5:30:30 PM

wasnt Bill impeached or something...

i cant remember, it was so long ago.

12/24/2005 5:34:25 PM

turns out, CLINTON DIDN'T DO IT. He did alot of nasty shit, but apparently, not this:

*ahem*

Here's what clinton signed
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/20/drudge-fact-check/

Quote :

"Section 1. Pursuant to section 302(a)(1) [50 U.S.C. 1822(a)] of the [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance] Act, the Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a court order, to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year, if the Attorney General makes the certifications required by that section."

if and only if the AG followed section 302(a)(1). What does section 1822(a) require?

* the "physical search is solely directed at premises, information, material, or property used exclusively by, or under the open and exclusive control of, a foreign power or powers." Translation: You can't search American citizens.
* and there is "no substantial likelihood that the physical search will involve the premises, information, material, or property of a United States person." Translation: You can't search American citizens.

Moreover, Clinton's warrant waiver consistent with FISA refers only to physical searches. "Physical searches," as defined by 1821(5), exclude electronic surveillance.

carter:
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12139.htm

Quote :

"1-101. Pursuant to Section 102(a)(1) of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1802(a)), the Attorney General is authorized to approve electronic surveillance to acquire foreign intelligence information without a court order, but only if the Attorney General makes the certifications required by that Section."

Carter limits the warrantless surveillance to the requirements of Section 1802(a). That section requires:

* the electronic surveillance is solely directed at communications exclusively between or among foreign powers. Translation: You can't spy on American citizens.
* there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party. Translation: You can't spy on American citizens.

Section 1803(a)(2) requires that the Attorney General report to Congress (specifically, the House and Senate Intelligence Committees) about whether any American citizens were involved, what minimization procedures were undertaken to avoid it and protect their identities, and whether his actions comply with the law.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/12/21/8157/6595

12/24/2005 5:56:29 PM

YOU THINK YOU'RE SO BIG, EH?

LOOK AT ME, I'VE GOT FACTS.

12/24/2005 5:58:54 PM