I know the two most popular responses to what I'm going to ask already:

1. Because we can, why are you such a hater of rich people?
2. Daddy got it for me.

The question: How do some of these college "children" own vehicles that NCSU grads can't even afford with a well paying job?

Qualifier: I own a decent car. I have a coop and have worked very hard to get where I am. I know some people also work hard at work and come by some money that way or are smart enough for a scholarship. But let's be real folks, a full ride won't pay for a $35000 car. Neither will a coop or summer job.

Soapbox: I don't care as long as they're clean, well taken care of cars. But the brake dust and mud on the BMW's just get my goat man. Plus the little "children" girls that have the IQ of a rock but somehow made it in and sip latte on the way to class in a 350Z. I'm not necessarily [just] jealous, I also wouldn't want to be that car! What a travesty! An automatic sportscar at the hands of a spoiled child! Ugh....

Somebody that CAN sympathize with me let me know what you think. I'd also like to hear from the latte swilling girls too.

12/7/2005 12:11:28 PM

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"I have a coop"

1) prolly belongs more in the gay-rage
2) learn how to spell dipshit
3) [/thread]

12/7/2005 12:20:05 PM

DRIVEN BY WHAT????

WHAT DOES THIS EVEN MEAN?

12/7/2005 12:20:11 PM

AND FORGIVE SOMEONE FOR WORKING HARD IN THEIR LIFE TO GIVE THEIR CHILDREN A BETTER LIFE THAN THEY HAD

12/7/2005 12:21:36 PM

best first post ever?

12/7/2005 12:22:09 PM

ermm

12/7/2005 12:22:29 PM

aarons an idiot.

A coop is job in which you rotate semesters of work and study. You put an "-" between the co-op if you want to be technical.

12/7/2005 12:24:24 PM

OOOOOOOOH

ok

You were talking about cars, so I was thinking "coupe."

But this thread still makes no sense.

12/7/2005 12:26:55 PM

is this because you feel guilty that you have a 1.8t? or because you are mad that you don't have one?

im asking because a 1.8t isnt really that nice or unattainable

12/7/2005 12:30:42 PM

oh well, I should have kept it simple. I just wanted to see HOW people own these cars, WHY the parents would give a student the car, and WHY can't they take care of it if they can obviously afford to have it.

I forgot though, duuhhhhhhh:

the answer to WHY 1 ? Because daddy can't say not to a squeeling brat that wants the world. Heck, why not if it will shut them up.

the answer to HOW? Either rich or in debt up to their eyeballs

the answer to WHY 2 ? too lazy to wash it, too in debt to BUY a car wash, too spoiled to do either on their own

12/7/2005 12:30:53 PM

so...you started a thread asking questions you already knew the answers to?

im confused

12/7/2005 12:32:12 PM

the 1.8T has about 100,000 miles and got a loan for it used. I put my income from my co-op into a savings fund to direct pay the car loan. The rest will go towards my summer tuition for 2006. I'll be doing the work rotation this spring of 2006.

12/7/2005 12:32:49 PM

you sir

are a hater

and a suck poster

YOU SIR ARE NOT WORTHY OF THIS BOX OF SOAP

I SAY GOOD-DAY

12/7/2005 12:33:27 PM

whats wrong with parents buying cars for their children
and i do know people paying for nice cars with their co-op
and what do you care if their car is dirty, who says they have to clean their car. maybe they aren't as caught up on material possesions and looking like they have money as you are

12/7/2005 12:33:33 PM

by the way: It is called a "soapbox" , implying that I am going on an empty rant to satisfy some uncontrollable urge to get the giant chip off my shoulder

12/7/2005 12:34:23 PM

i would just like to point out that he is talking trash about people fronting like they have money
while his sn is vw18t
and he is financing a high mileage used one

[Edited on December 7, 2005 at 12:35 PM. Reason : .]

12/7/2005 12:34:39 PM

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"An automatic sportscar at the hands of a spoiled child! Ugh...."

From The Garage: manual > automatic

12/7/2005 12:36:10 PM

all financing means is that you don't have the upfront cash. it doesn't mean that you can't easily afford the payments. Plus, why not get a loan if the interest you gain on what you save is higher than what you pay on the loan? If you're smart enough to swallow that anyway, which anyone who seriously goes into a loan can. CD's (certificates of deposit) and money markets don't discriminate against how much or little you have, therefore take advantage of their offerings.

12/7/2005 12:40:35 PM

but you see the gross hypocrrisy right?

12/7/2005 12:41:27 PM

thanks xvang, sports cars are made to be manuals (or paddle shifters of course). An automatic vs. a manual or paddle shifter will ALWAYS lose out assuming they are the same vehicle and assuming you don't miss gears or stall out.

12/7/2005 12:42:29 PM

not if you are drag racing

12/7/2005 12:43:31 PM

really, no joke, what is the hipocrisy?

- a 1.8T is not a nice car, or a nasty car, it is an affordable used option to a similar mileaged Civic, Sentra, or the like. I'm not talking about the 180-200hp GTI's and GLI's here. All it is is a slow little manual with 4 doors and reasonable mileage. Reasonable because I put about 30000 miles on a car per year. Just because I love my car doesn't mean its a pos ricer with neon, a wing, and a coffee can exhaust. You don't have to own an expensive car to love it.

12/7/2005 12:46:18 PM

Jon, I meant the manual style will always win. Just try to drop an automatic at 4K rpm and launch it. The brakes will lose hold before the automatic gets even close to 4K rpm. I seriously HOPE you meant that the manual has the advantage.

12/7/2005 12:48:06 PM

a 1.8 isnt as realiable as a honda. you bought it cause it looks like you have money
and an auto has the advantage in drag racing

12/7/2005 12:49:38 PM

Alas,,,,,,I must leave my PC for a while, I truly did enjoy everybody's participation. I'll be back around 3pm if anyone wants to talk any further. Everyone have a good day!

12/7/2005 12:49:40 PM

go make some money to pay that car loan

12/7/2005 12:51:01 PM

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"Alas,,,,,,I must leave my PC for a while, I truly did enjoy everybody's participation. I'll be back around 3pm if anyone wants to talk any further."

What's up with people who say things like this on a messageboard? It isn't a fucking chat room.

12/7/2005 12:58:15 PM

for me, the question is WHY the hell you would want an expensive car.

My car cost me $13,000 with alot of great features. I guess if you're single and trying to attract someone shallow with an expensive car, I can get it, or if you need something like a truck for functionality, but otherwise, it feels like a waste to me

of course, I spent $500 on a treo pda, so I can't say much

12/7/2005 1:12:38 PM

have you ever driven a really nice car?
as soon as you do you will understand

12/7/2005 1:19:38 PM

Ever go through life wishing you had those things? I sure have. Now imagine that you worked hard and now make extremely good money and you can give you kids nice things.

I'm not talking BMW's like some parents... but that's who they are. It's how they feel that their kids are put above the rest or given everything they never had. I'm not saying it makes good kids, it typically makes superficial parasites.

I was lucky. My parents provided me with car(s). They weren't great... but I had a honda accord (totaled, not my fault), a tank (volvo), and a geo storm. Yeah they aren't great cars but I never had to pay for them.

Their parents never bought them a car they had to buy it themselves and they felt that I shouldn't have to buy a car.

The same thing applies at a greater difference. Many rich parents today weren't rich young and can give more. It's also one hell of a status symbol so regardless of parental history, if you have a BMW convertable... that's instant friends. You become popular etc.

I wasn't raised like this and I don't really want a NICE free car. It kind of defeats the feeling of success when you can afford it yourself.

HOWEVER... there are many people at ncsu that have nice cars that can afford it on their own. How? They got full rides to school and work good jobs at the same time so they can afford it. Parents might toss in free gas and insurance but don't hate on people for their nice cars because you might not know.

If I worked fulltime at my current job and was going to school full time on a full ride scholarship etc... I could afford a car payment of $1000 a month no problem and still have plenty of cash left over.

There are also people who work only in the summer. Friends of mine went to pick tomatos for 3 months in california and lived in SHIT conditions during it. They walked away with $30,000 EACH for working 12 hour days, 6 days a week for 3 months.

Also, there are companies that give scholarships specifically for cars!

12/7/2005 1:39:55 PM

I'm in college and daddy bought me an awesome benz

yes there's brake dust all over the wheels

yes the car is a little dirty

the inside has dirt/crushed leaves/ drink straws from fast food restaurants

i lost the card of the guy that would drive up and power wash it for me when I was at the gym


the reason the cars are dirty is because rich people have better things to do with their time than wash cars

for 20 bucks i'll let you clean my car, you can listen to me start the engine too, poorboy

12/7/2005 1:49:34 PM

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"Friends of mine went to pick tomatos for 3 months in california and lived in SHIT conditions during it. They walked away with $30,000 EACH for working 12 hour days, 6 days a week for 3 months. "

haha
the bullshit meter is going crazy

12/7/2005 1:54:16 PM

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"aarons an idiot"

As much as this thread sucks, he has a point

12/7/2005 2:15:51 PM

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"have you ever driven a really nice car? as soon as you do you will understand"

of COURSE I have. but it's not worth it to me. I make enough money to have a really nice car if I wanted one, but I just don't. I guess to me, things like cars are just there for functionality. I wanted a car with high gas mileage to take me from winston to greensboro every day and back, a hatchback to store stuff and my dog, etc. I mean of course I wanted one I liked the style of, but that's about it as far as the car went. I found the one I liked the most in the 12-15,000 price range and got it.

12/7/2005 2:23:32 PM

after you sit behind the wheel of an $80k car your little hippy thing will just feel cheap and plasticy

12/7/2005 3:06:36 PM

yea it will

12/7/2005 3:08:26 PM

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"after you sit behind the wheel of an $80k car your little hippy thing will just feel cheap and plasticy "

so? hes already said that "things like cars are just there for functionality"

i dont see your point.

[Edited on December 7, 2005 at 3:12 PM. Reason : df]

12/7/2005 3:12:04 PM

im going to go with WHO THE FUCK CARES on this one. it really doesnt affect you or anyone else besides the family, so why is this soap box worthy.

i got new cars and whatnot and im tired of reading how everyone who gets a decent car is a spoiled brat. jesus fucking christ, harp on the fact that anyone different than (or better off than) you is automatically bad a little more plz.

those richers rip off the workers and exploit everyone in their high powered jobs, spoil their brat kids, and are too full of themselves to have any respect for anyone else. those kids have dirty cars so they must not appreciate a damn thing and are only doing it as a status symbol so they can make friends their otherwise worthless personality couldnt make them.

do you understand how stupid you sound?

12/7/2005 3:30:01 PM

I almost agree with part of the spirit of this thread.

Yeah, there are people who worked their asses off and now they can give their kids nice things. I'm all about that, as long as you couple it with a decent upbringing. You don't need kids who grew up rich feeling entitled to shit. You don't, I don't, society doesn't. You've got to make sure your kid knows that you worked your ass off so he doesn't take it for granted. I haven't seen this pulled off very often.

Then there are those people who grew up rich, are rich now, and give their kids expensive-ass things because they're pushovers, or because it increases their own status, or they're overrewarding the kid for some minor accomplishment, or what have you. Fuck those people, and, in general, fuck their kids.

If you're rich, but you're not first-generation rich, the odds are good that I bitterly hate you and await the opportunity to shoot you during the revolution.

----

PS, I bought my Corolla with a modest inheritance from people that definitely instilled in me an appreciation for hard work and the value of money. I probably didn't deserve it, but at the very least I recognize as much.

12/7/2005 3:40:50 PM

so if parents always had money and want to get their kids a nice car just because then thats bad?

12/7/2005 3:47:02 PM

whats your classification of rich. some ppl just like to spend above their means to spoil their brat kids.

[Edited on December 7, 2005 at 3:50 PM. Reason : john has a good point as well.i really dont see the point in hating. id take a beamer free]

12/7/2005 3:48:17 PM

on christmas i hope you get really mad at your parents for turning you into a spoiled brat

12/7/2005 3:52:30 PM

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"so if parents always had money and want to get their kids a nice car just because then thats bad?"

If it's "just because," then...yeah, it's bad. Obviously not "Let's legislate!" bad, but still not good.

If you do it as an incentive or reward for real good behavior, that's straight. If you make the kid take on a substantial part of the economic burden and responsibility, that's straight. And if you really believe that you're kid isn't spoiled and that the car won't spoil him, that's straight.

If you just give your kid a nice car, no strings attached, all you're doing is making him that much more useless to the human race.

12/7/2005 3:56:13 PM

what is sufficiently good behavior if you already have a well-behaved kid? i mean, if they already dont do drugs, have alright grades, got into a decent college, have a part time job, etc. i dont see what they could do in your eyes since certain things are expected and "minor."

in the same vein dont you think plenty of ppl dont realize how spoiled their kids are (if indeed they are) and think they arent doing any harm? in your book if they really dont know then it is straight, but the above isnt?

[Edited on December 7, 2005 at 3:59 PM. Reason : .]

12/7/2005 3:59:19 PM

hey grumpy what did you have to do for your birthday presents
i hope they made you plow the fields
you lazy drain on society

12/7/2005 4:05:26 PM

newsflash: You don't have to be a spoiled rich kid to feel entitled to shit. Poor people feel entitled to shit all the time... that is why they steal.

If you make $350,000 a year, have established investments, all the cars you want, the house yuo want, etc. and still have plenty of cash for buyiong your kids a bimmer, then more power to you. I know people that commute 3 hours a day. Their car is very important to them because of the time they spend in it and a certain comfort level they want with it, no different than with a house. I frequently see $40,000 trucks or cars parked at mobile homes and ghetto houses. Its all in where you place value. To each his own.

12/7/2005 4:17:51 PM

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"Poor people feel entitled to shit all the time... that is why they steal."

At least we can arrest them for that. And you can't eradicate the feeling of entitlement, but you can at least try not to contribute any more to it.

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"hey grumpy what did you have to do for your birthday presents"

Birthday presents =/= $30,000 car

Not that I got (or asked for) a lot in the way of presents.

You should get what you deserve, and parents should know to give what is deserved. It's entirely possible for a kid to deserve a nice car.

Also, we didn't have anything to plow, but I dug ditches, hauled wood, cleared paths, and mowed acreage without compensation much beyond what the law requires. And I'm glad for it. (Especially the mowing. Don't tell the folks, but that shit ain't a chore, it's a privelige)

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"in your book if they really dont know then it is straight"

Not so. If you're that fucking stupid that you can't recognize a spoiled kid when you see one, but you're making that kind of bank, then it probably means that you had rich-ass parents who got you by in life, because I don't think you made it to shitting in high cotton by your brains.

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"i mean, if they already dont do drugs, have alright grades, got into a decent college, have a part time job, etc. i dont see what they could do in your eyes since certain things are expected and "minor.""

Not doing drugs is part of being a good and respectful kids. Good grades and getting into a good school (on merit, not some goddamn legacy crap) and having a job...a kid like that would be damn close to deserving a car, in my book, as long as he's working at or damn close to his potential, carries his weight at home, and does generally good works.

[Edited on December 7, 2005 at 4:26 PM. Reason : ]

12/7/2005 4:24:57 PM

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"Birthday presents =/= $30,000 car Not that I got (or asked for) a lot in the way of presents. You should get what you deserve, and parents should know to give what is deserved. It's entirely possible for a kid to deserve a nice car."

the amount doesnt really change the point
i bet that even on some birthdays or christmas you were acting like a spoiled little kid and your parents still gave you your presents

12/7/2005 4:27:00 PM

im appeased for the time being with his responses. he's a little more strict on that view than i, but i wont hold it against him any longer.

12/7/2005 4:32:01 PM

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"the amount doesnt really change the point"

Yes, it does. You can measure, ableit crudely and unscientifically, what you have "earned" by your behavior as a kid in dollars. That's not to mention the responsibility of owning a car as opposed to an X-box.

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"i bet that even on some birthdays or christmas you were acting like a spoiled little kid and your parents still gave you your presents"

1) Did I ever say that my parents did everything like they were supposed to? Hell no. If they did, it's possible -- though far from certain -- that I wouldn't be a shiftless chain-smoking alcoholic.
2) Little kids don't really work into this situation. You're not going to give a car to a six year old. There's some leeway with the very young -- they often simply lack the mental faculties to know any better than to be spoiled. But certainly by the time they're approaching car-owning age, if that tendency is still around then you've got a bastard kid who doesn't need encouraging.

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"of course, I spent $500 on a treo pda, so I can't say much"

You have got to be the worst green anarchist in the history of green anarchy.

[Edited on December 7, 2005 at 4:47 PM. Reason : ]

12/7/2005 4:45:43 PM