the qb change was necessary

11/21/2005 11:24:11 PM

uhmmmmmmmm...what?

11/21/2005 11:26:27 PM

Maryland has become a rivalry game, it won't prove that. It will only satisfy our desire to see Marylina North be defeated at home finally, if that happens. I mean Philip couldn't even beat them.

[Edited on November 21, 2005 at 11:31 PM. Reason : I don't think I have been ever able to see us beat Maryland at home.]

11/21/2005 11:30:14 PM

If Stone shows he's a capable QB (ie creating a passing game) and helps us win this game then putting him in as QB is a good call

If he's not able to create a passing game and that contributes to why we lose, then he shouldn't have replaced Davis

If we win the game and he doesn't contribute to the win (ie merely hands the ball off to Brown) then it didn't really matter who the QB was

[Edited on November 21, 2005 at 11:31 PM. Reason : a]

11/21/2005 11:30:37 PM

i thought CarZin said he would suspend CharlieEFH


the qb was necessary regardless of anything. Davis was a sucky lame duck.

11/21/2005 11:32:25 PM

Do you have to start a thread on Stone and your gay lover Jay Davis before and after every game?

11/21/2005 11:32:40 PM

so essentially stone hasn't proven yet that he can't create a passing offense? i guess you missed the 3-4 starts he had where he was making poor passes and sucking just like Davis?

11/21/2005 11:35:26 PM

They overlook that, based on Ws.

11/21/2005 11:36:50 PM

^^^i didn't after last game...

when you play a team where the snapper forgets to snap the ball, the QB passes to the back of a receiver and the snapper snaps the ball while the QB is talking audibling/talking to the sideline all in the same drive...it isn't even worth noting how bad we played against them




after the wake game i said Stone would impress me if he gets us to a bowl

well he now has that opportunity

[Edited on November 21, 2005 at 11:37 PM. Reason : 0]

11/21/2005 11:37:22 PM

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"so essentially stone hasn't proven yet that he can't create a passing offense?"

stone hasn't proven that he's a significant factor to the offense

he's consistent in handing the ball off and completing one pass in the first half

11/21/2005 11:39:24 PM

yeah, which would mean that he has consistently shown that he can't lead a passing attack.

he's won 3 games, Davis - 2. each have a "marquee" win (Davis, GT. Stone, FSU). I fail to see a difference, but I do see someone who is reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaachin

11/21/2005 11:41:37 PM

When will you get that sometimes you have to take 1 step back to go 2 forwards?

At this point we can't exactly assume that Stone is going to just shit the bed for his career as a QB and Burke or whoever else will step up and be the man next year. If that were an ok assumption then A) he wouldn't be second string and B) then yes, we continue the year with Davis at the helm...maybe.

Something you completely and utterly this far have failed to recognize is Stone's leadership ability and enthusiasm.

I said it at the begining of last year, that I was completely skeptical and miffed at how a QB that has a stutter problem is going to be a good leader. That isn't to bag on Jay, thats just stating a hard fact that on nearly every good team, the QB is a (usually the) vocal leader on and off the field. I think you should have noticed by now how NCSU likes to play to the level of their opponent. Well in these games where the teams we play doesn't manage to get our A game, a motivated and vocal QB (really any player, but you expect it from your field general) can be the difference. If everything else is a wash, or if the slight reduction in passing ability is offset by the difference it makes in the offense spirit, then we trudge ahead with Stone and an eye toward the future.

I don't think our coaches truley have the knack to eye a guy that can revolutionalize are team. Ocain did it, and there seems to be an outside shot that Burke could be that kid if (giant if) he can get some size on him.

[Edited on November 21, 2005 at 11:44 PM. Reason : x]

11/21/2005 11:41:44 PM

all i'm saying is we probably dont' beat maryland if we don't have a passing game

we might

we might get lucky as hell and win like we've won our last three wins

but i really doubt it

11/21/2005 11:48:09 PM

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"I mean Philip couldn't even beat them. "

Well, Philip did, it was TA that blew it, all he had to do was hold on to the football and ball game over.... but no, he decided to fumble and give Maryland great field position and kick a game winning field goal

11/22/2005 2:49:39 AM

does anyone know where EJ Henderson plays in the NFL?

11/22/2005 2:52:39 AM

^Vikings I think

11/22/2005 6:16:58 AM

this isn't a "Stone sucks" thread

i hope we win and can get to a bowl

but this is Stone's most important game of his career thus far

he needs to show up and do more than just be there

11/22/2005 7:46:31 AM

how do you not get that if we went w/ jay the rest of the season
we would back in this same spot next year w/ a shitty QB w/ no experience

at least this way, if stone gets the job next year...he has some real game time experience, will be adapted to game speed and, by god willing, be a better QB next season

11/22/2005 9:43:01 AM

Fuckin' TA... I hated the glass-man.

11/22/2005 10:36:10 AM

Saturday is the last home game for Stone and Jay Davis. Let them both play.

Justin Burke or Brent Schaeffer will be our QB next year.

11/22/2005 10:52:45 AM

^Stone will be the starter going into fall practice...you never know if Burke is going to be able to step right in. And BS is BS is BS....I'm not getting my hopes up for him...this is the 3rd year in a row we are recruiting him.

11/22/2005 11:35:48 AM

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"all i'm saying is we probably dont' beat maryland if we don't have a passing game"

RUSHING DEFENSE G Rushes Yards Avg. TD Yds/G
----------------------------------------------------------
1. Boston College...... 11 393 1047 2.7 5 95.2
2. Virginia Tech....... 10 326 1004 3.1 5 100.4
3. Georgia Tech........ 10 344 1010 2.9 7 101.0
4. Miami............... 10 377 1032 2.7 9 103.2
5. NC State............ 10 384 1120 2.9 10 112.0
6. Florida State....... 10 380 1157 3.0 12 115.7
7. North Carolina...... 10 381 1243 3.3 18 124.3
8. Clemson............. 11 402 1430 3.6 12 130.0
9. Wake Forest......... 11 369 1468 4.0 13 133.5
10.Virginia............ 10 371 1465 3.9 16 146.5
11.Maryland............ 10 417 1750 4.2 23 175.0
12.Duke................ 11 444 2280 5.1 30 207.3

11/22/2005 11:42:30 AM

yeah, seriously. people saying that shit didnt watch them play UNC, that's for sure...

11/22/2005 11:50:55 AM

WRONG

Jay's losing ways already determined that the QB change was necessary

11/22/2005 11:56:49 AM

run all over the twerps.

11/22/2005 11:59:55 AM

Amazing how tight 1-6 is.

11/22/2005 12:14:25 PM

^^^^^It's still a valid comment.

If we can't get a passing game open, they can still stop the run (load the box).

At this point, throw the stats out the window. This game is too big for both teams.

11/22/2005 12:18:14 PM

i think the point of those stats is that "loading the box" hasn't helped the Terps all season.

we don't have to get the passing game open, we just have to play the same game we've been playing. Pound the ball, play action to keep them off balance... I would like to see Brown get around 30 carries.

11/22/2005 12:34:39 PM

i'm a little concerned about MDs passing game, honestly.

11/22/2005 12:36:02 PM

I'm not as worried about our secondary as I was before the season...Hudson plays great coverage, Davis has his ups and downs, and Scott and Heath have both showed some very good skill.

11/22/2005 12:38:39 PM

damn, 23 rushing tds allowed in ren games?

Thats pretty bad.

11/22/2005 12:49:02 PM

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"Jay's losing ways already determined that the QB change was necessary"

are you're saying if we had Jay starting for the past 4 games that we wouldn't have three wins?

or are you saying that STone would have more than 2 wins if he had played all season up to the wake game?

I can't say for sure that we'd beat FSU with Jay so I'm not going to claim that we could have, but i'm willing to bet the probabilty of us being where we are now would be pretty high if Jay Davis was still the starting QB of this team

but this is the game that matters

11/22/2005 2:27:36 PM

using stone over davis changed the offensive coaching philosophy, the change in strategy was much needed and wouldnot have taken place had they left davis as the starter. Therefor i starting stone was essential to the turnaround for the team in the second half of the season not because of what stone brings to the table but because of the coaching philosphy change once he was inserted into the lineup.

11/22/2005 3:05:39 PM

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"are you're saying if we had Jay starting for the past 4 games that we wouldn't have three wins? or are you saying that STone would have more than 2 wins if he had played all season up to the wake game?"

I would say both

11/22/2005 3:15:38 PM

Stone hasn't changed the offense, Brown has

rather...Stone's presences has negatively affected the offensive coaching philosophy while Brown has positively affected it

[Edited on November 22, 2005 at 3:27 PM. Reason : sdf]

11/22/2005 3:25:08 PM

well, you're comming around, but you're still a little mixed up.


Putting Stone in has forced us to take some pressure off the QB, leading to a more conservative style of attack. The fact that Brown is nasty has allowed us to continue this trend. We changed the offensive scheme b/c of Stone b/c he sucks....he's just more athletic than Davis.

And even though we dumbed down the offense, it is the best thing we could have done. GG STONE!!!!!

11/23/2005 12:40:01 AM

^you're saying that Davis doesn't suck? i thought this was obvious to most observers

11/23/2005 12:47:52 AM

haha you people are still talking about football season

some great NCAA hoops going on right now

11/23/2005 12:48:55 AM

^^no, that came out wrong


Davis sucks, but he actually knows the offense. This causes the coaches to call plays that they think he can make, but obviously he sucks too much to make a play.

They KNOW Stone is an idiot, so they dumbed down the offense. Fortunately we found a running back that can hold onto the ball and break a big run, so the change is working very well.

11/23/2005 12:52:00 AM

Stone was put into a win win situation for the last 4 games

2 games were supposed to be automatic wins, he was expected to win these

2 games weren't automatic wins but 1 of them probably could be won, he wasn't as expected to win these

the fact that we struggled to get the automatic wins with our offense worries me abut the Maryland game

It's a game like this where you want your more capable qb, not the flashy fan favorite

If we win, everyone will be excited and focused on a bowl and that's fine

If we lose...

11/23/2005 8:09:18 AM

...at least it won't be the fault of a senior qb throwing costly INTs.

11/23/2005 11:31:18 AM

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"Maryland has become a rivalry game"

dont we have to beat them more than once for it to become a rivalry game

11/23/2005 11:33:51 AM

Quote :

"Do you have to start a thread on Stone and your gay lover Jay Davis before and after every game? "

11/23/2005 11:44:03 AM

^^ No

11/23/2005 11:44:47 AM

how bout more than once in the last 6 years does that work

11/23/2005 11:58:46 AM

Nope, doesn't matter.

11/23/2005 11:59:51 AM

In the last 5 seasons one we've beat Maryland once

with Jay Davis

11/23/2005 12:04:40 PM

This should be an easy choice who to start against Maryland...

Jay Davis: 1-0 against Maryland

Enough said.

But on a serious note, Jay Davis is 2-4 on the season, and in not ONE of those games did we have a 100-yard rusher. Where as Marcus Stone is 3-1 and two wins came with a RB rushing over 100 yards and the third with a RB with 94 yards(against MTSU). The one game where he had to be the leader and actually throw the ball, we lost. Had Jay had 100-yard rushers every game that he started, we'd be bowl eligible at this point. Especially if we had one in the Va Tech and/or UNC game(s).

Last year I was on the Marcus Stone for starter band-wagon, because I wanted another young QB to come in and take his lumps so this year we'd be a solid team, but it didn't work out. Stone's injuries and terrible play didn't help matters there either.

My only problem with Marcus Stone is his indecisiveness. I mean I agree you shouldn't stare down your WR(Jay Davis) but have some idea where you're going to pass the ball on third down. You don't think when Rivers went out on third down that he KNEW where Cotchery would be the whole play? Marcus' has the tools, he has a strong arm, plenty of size, and some speed, BUT, the fact that he is almost scared to throw the ball really limits how effective he can/will be. Now I agree sometimes it's better to take the sack or run for a couple of yards, but when you're playing from behind or around the 50, and it's third down, take a shot at it, if you throw it far enough it might as well be a punt since JD hasn't been punting the ball very effectively lately.

Maryland will be pumped for this game, and I hope our boys are too. But look for them to play man coverage and stack the box with as many people as they can to force Marcus to throw the ball. No other team in the ACC is as dependent on the run as we are, you take away that and we are sitting ducks.

And about the BS and Burke arguments, I hope BS comes here and starts next year, and I hope Amato has enough common sense to red-shirt Burke so he can focus on learning the offense(barring we don't lose ANOTHER coordinator) and bulking up a bit because it appears he has the tools, now to just fine tune them a bit before thrusting him into the action a bit too early.

11/23/2005 12:24:16 PM

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"Had Jay had 100-yard rushers every game that he started, we'd be bowl eligible at this point. Especially if we had one in the Va Tech and/or UNC game(s). "

Wait, wait...you're just wanting to add tons of rushing yards to a given Jay Davis game and declare it a victory? That'd be like saying "if we had a 100+ yard reception game out of hall or TJ or clark against BC, Stone would be 4-0 right now."

We got those 100+ yard rushing games BECAUSE stone was in there, not taking as many throws. Our increased rushing attack(with huge help from Andre) made us a better overall team despite losing a bit on the passing game.

It's a ridiculous way to compare things....

Oh, and while I'm at it:

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"if you throw it far enough it might as well be a punt since JD hasn't been punting the ball very effectively lately."

Not sure what you mean here? Deraney has been averaging about 40 yds/ATT, which is his average for the year. If you're talking about the blocks, you can hardly cite Deraney for those.

11/23/2005 3:38:01 PM

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"Wait, wait...you're just wanting to add tons of rushing yards to a given Jay Davis game and declare it a victory?"

with Davis' passing abilities (compared to Stone's...and this doesn't not mean arm strength) and good rushing game, we'd be a better team and there wouldn't have been a qb change

Quote :

"That'd be like saying "if we had a 100+ yard reception game out of hall or TJ or clark against BC, Stone would be 4-0 right now.""

wtf, they can't receive the ball if the qb doesn't throw the ball...

and actually, if Stone had a passing game, we might very be 4-0 with Stone

if we had kept Davis as QB i believe we would have had a better chance to be 4-0 right now

the key to the Maryland game and getting to a bowl game is the quarterback

if Stone has one completion in the first half of the Maryland game and we're losing at halftime, it wouldn't surprise me if we put Jay in

If Chuck is smart, he'll do it

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"We got those 100+ yard rushing games BECAUSE stone was in there, not taking as many throws."

so brown ran 65 yards on the first play of the FSU game to score a td b/c of Stone...

we got over 100+ yard rushing games b/c brown can run the ball more than 3 yards per down, unlike baker and blackman

[Edited on November 23, 2005 at 3:55 PM. Reason : e]

[Edited on November 23, 2005 at 3:59 PM. Reason : dfg]

11/23/2005 3:55:41 PM