Quote :

"Woodward provided sworn testimony to the federal grand jury on Monday, but said the source that mentioned Valerie Plame's CIA job to him in mid-June 2003 had still not authorized him to disclose his or her name."

That was one month before Libby is said to have done it. Basicaly Cheney tells him this little tidbit, and tells him to go public with it after he testifies.

Quote :

"He told MSNBC's "Hardball" in June that in the end "there is going to be nothing to it. And it is a shame. And the special prosecutor in that case, his behavior, in my view, has been disgraceful.""

WHAT THE FECK????? 'journalistic ethics' my ass.

1. He editorializes about how this is all a sham
2. Then claims hes got a secret source thats an extremely high official who says that libby isnt guilty but cant say who it is?


Thats fucking wrong.

Conservatives will never like you. You brought down a republican president, just give it up.


http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=bob%20woodward&btnG=Google+Search&sa=N&tab=wn


also; why not lock him up? last i checked, this seems to have happened to somone else in a similar (exactly the same) situation.



[Edited on November 17, 2005 at 4:15 AM. Reason : ;]

11/17/2005 3:54:57 AM

Quote :

"the Post reported that “a senior administration official,” not Libby, told Woodward “about CIA operative Valerie Plame and her position at the agency nearly a month before her identity was disclosed”"

Backfire #1;

-Libby still perjured himself

Backfire #2;

-Hes saying it was still a senior admin offical in the whitehouse, which the whitehouse had denied. Which only continues to fuel the belief that the white house did indeed out plame.



[Edited on November 17, 2005 at 4:13 AM. Reason : keep it up and the impeachment wont be far off]

11/17/2005 4:12:53 AM

Quote :

" National Security Adviser was Woodward's source, attorneys say Larisa Alexandrovna and Jason Leopold National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley was the senior administration official who told Washington Post Assistant Managing Editor Bob Woodward that Valerie Plame Wilson was a CIA officer, attorneys close to the investigation and intelligence officials tell RAW STORY. Testifying under oath Monday to Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, Woodward recounted a casual conversation he had with Hadley, these sources say. Hadley did not return a call seeking comment. Woodward said he was told that it was “no big deal” that former Ambassador Joseph Wilson was sent to Niger to investigate the veracity of the Bush Administration’s claims that Iraq was seeking uranium from Niger. According to the attorneys, he said Hadley dismissed the trip by saying his wife, a CIA officer who worked on WMD issues, had recommended him. "

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/National_Security_Adviser_was_Woodwards_source_1116.html

All part of the concerted effort to attack Joe Wilson for exposing the nuclear Niger lie.
http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=365741

11/17/2005 9:41:30 AM

Quote :

"Larisa Alexandrovna"

Alexandrovna cannot be a last name. It's a Russian "middle name".

11/17/2005 9:44:04 AM

^hmmm....well...the man would know...

in russia ...certain names are just first names or middle names??

[Edited on November 17, 2005 at 9:47 AM. Reason : asdf]

11/17/2005 9:46:42 AM

I'm amazed how quickly reporters are jumping on the "OMF THIS CONTRADICTS FITZGERALD'S STATEMENT" bandwagon when it clearly does not. Libby was the first White House official known to have leaked the name of Valerie Plame improperly; not the first White House official to do so.

11/17/2005 9:49:53 AM

Looks like Fitzgerald will have to extend the investigation.

11/17/2005 9:51:25 AM

who cares who leaked it the fact of the matter remains that obviously someone in the bush administration leaked it

honestly i dont think shit should be done about it either

we done went to war cant really fuck up anything else

11/17/2005 10:00:04 AM

^ The CIA certainly cares. Otherwise they wouldn't have encouraged the US Justice Department to investigate the matter.

Let's not forget that Bush certainly seemed to care, too. After all, he did appoint Fitzgerald to get to the bottom of the matter.

11/17/2005 1:55:09 PM

Plame was not covert so how could she be outed. Get your facts straight.

Which is the greater threat to America's security:

A) "Outing" a DC bureaucrat who hasn't seen covert duty since most of you were in middle school

or

B) Outing these secret camps where terrorists were being detained for questioning

and as a bonus

C) Selling military secrets to the Chinese government for campaign contributions

11/17/2005 10:09:35 PM

Quote :

"A) "Outing" a DC bureaucrat who hasn't seen covert duty since most of you were in middle school "

so uhh....what happens to all the contacts she made while she was undercover? they only DIE.

but yea.... im all for outing all former undercover agents. i think everyone who has ever been undercover should come out and say it. becuase thats good for the country. by your logic. we wont be needing them again. we dont need intel. do we?



[Edited on November 17, 2005 at 10:16 PM. Reason : -]

11/17/2005 10:14:05 PM

Yes because every undercover agent goes by their real name when they're covert.

Maybe if Plame wouldn't have given permission to have her mug placed on the cover of a magazine those said contacts might have had a fighting chance.

11/17/2005 10:19:15 PM

Quote :

"in russia ...certain names are just first names or middle names??"

MathFreak would certainly know better, but i'm pretty sure that Russian middle names are usually the father's name plus some suffix which depends on your sex. Whoever Larisa Alexandrovna is, her dad's name is Alexander.

11/17/2005 10:24:13 PM

Quote :

"Yes because every undercover agent goes by their real name when they're covert."

do you think it would legal or right to print a list of every person who has been an american spy?

yes or no?



[Edited on November 17, 2005 at 10:32 PM. Reason : -]

11/17/2005 10:26:17 PM

^^^ Why are you still clinging to that talking point?

If it were factual, then this investigation wouldn't be happening.

[Edited on November 17, 2005 at 10:27 PM. Reason : ,]

11/17/2005 10:26:54 PM

i guess as long as some people think its ok, leaking classified info is fine.

as long as YOU dong think it will hurt anyone, you are allowed to leak classified info. it just makes sense.

11/17/2005 10:39:35 PM

According to what I have read, there is a statute of limitations that is 5 years long with regards to the classified names of agents. Does Plame's case fit within the law or not?

Has anyone even determined if outing Plame's name was a crime in the 1st place? Fitzgerald certainly hasn't.

11/17/2005 10:43:13 PM

Quote :

"Fitzgerald certainly hasn't."

I believe he said he was investigating it, and during that investigation, he was lied to.

Quote :

"Has anyone even determined if outing Plame's name was a crime in"

Probably is. But theres no question it was wrong. Which is why most people in the US now think bush a liar and shouldnt be trusted.

11/17/2005 10:45:08 PM

Bush isn't even being investigated so why would he be considered a liar for something that somebody else entirely unrelated to him did?

Libby is being charged (note not convicted) of things that had to do with the investigation, not the actual "outing" of Plame. Is outing her name wrong? Depends, there is more than enough reason to believe that she could have been a part of a conspiracy, along with her husband and others within the CIA, to undermind the White House before the US went into Iraq.

11/17/2005 10:54:38 PM

STOP REPEATING THE SAME FUCKING LIES OVER AND OVER Wlfpk4Life! YOU'RE A GODDAMNED MORON!

11/17/2005 10:55:27 PM

Whether she was no longer covert or not is still unknown.

So don't even play like it invalidates the whole shebang.

11/17/2005 10:55:49 PM

Quote :

"Bush isn't even being investigated so why would he be considered a liar for something that somebody else entirely unrelated to him did?"

ahahha....uhhh....i think bush MAY be connected to his administation

11/17/2005 10:58:26 PM

Although I do wonder

11/17/2005 10:59:15 PM

Idiot lickspittles.

Quote :

"Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer. In July 2003, the fact that Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer was classified. Not only was it classified, but it was not widely known outside the intelligence community. Valerie Wilson's friends, neighbors, college classmates had no idea she had another life. The fact that she was a CIA officer was not well-known, for her protection or for the benefit of all us. It's important that a CIA officer's identity be protected, that it be protected not just for the officer, but for the nation's security."

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/10/28/text_of_fitzgerald_news_conference/

There wouldn't be a goddamned investigation if leaking her name wasn't a big deal.

Valerie Plame didn't pose for the picture in Vanity Fair, until AFTER HER MOTHERFUCKING COVER WAS BLOWN!!!

11/17/2005 10:59:36 PM

Quote :

"Plame was not covert so how could she be outed. Get your facts straight. Which is the greater threat to America's security: A) "Outing" a DC bureaucrat who hasn't seen covert duty since most of you were in middle school or B) Outing these secret camps where terrorists were being detained for questioning and as a bonus C) Selling military secrets to the Chinese government for campaign contributions"

You forgot:

D) Cheating on your wife, and getting a blow job

B should read:

B) Outing secret camps where terrorist could be tortured without congressional oversight

If Plame really wasn't working undercover anymore (which if she was, would the CIA even say so?), then for the threat to America, it's not a big deal. However, considering the initial attempts to cover this up, and the shady way Libby and Rove have conducted themselves, and Bush's flip-flopping on the issue, it really makes the administration look bad.

There is also the angle that the CIA needs this prosecuted to prevent potential future scumbag administration officials from compromising their employees for personal agendas. It might not have been bad this time, but who's to say that the next presidential administration wouldn't try the same thing? They need to send a message.

[Edited on November 17, 2005 at 11:09 PM. Reason : d]

11/17/2005 11:04:43 PM

OH AND BY THE WAY,

WE HAVE TOO FOUND WMDs IN IRAQ

11/17/2005 11:07:17 PM

and al aquada with suitcase nukes looking for boat rides to mexico. good thing we stopped em though.

[Edited on November 17, 2005 at 11:10 PM. Reason : 4 ]

11/17/2005 11:10:36 PM

The only ones who are making a big deal out of this are those who keep getting their political asses handed to them election after election.

NEWSFLASH - NOBODY CARES.

People like pryderi insist on lying about the nature of Plame's status and the fact that she was willing to plaster her face on the cover of a magazine which would leave all doubt to her actual identity just goes to show how much she cared about her supposed undercover contacts. This whole thing is nothing more than a political witch hunt and will go down in history as such.

11/17/2005 11:10:56 PM

PYDERI MAKES ME SO MAD! GRRRRR!!!

11/17/2005 11:12:05 PM

Quote :

"People like pryderi insist on lying about the nature of Plame's status and the fact that she was willing to plaster her face on the cover of a magazine which would leave all doubt to her actual identity just goes to show how much she cared about her supposed undercover contacts. This whole thing is nothing more than a political witch hunt and will go down in history as such."

If her status wasn't protected, why did Bush initiate an investigation? Her cover had already been blown when her picture was taken.

It's a security violation, not a witch hunt.

[Edited on November 17, 2005 at 11:14 PM. Reason : .]

11/17/2005 11:13:51 PM

Quote :

"NEWSFLASH - NOBODY CARES. "

You are delusional.

OBVIOUSLY someone cares, Bush's approval rating is below 40% (and STILL dropping).

11/17/2005 11:16:18 PM

Wlfpk4Life either doesn't know how to read, or he doesn't want to read anything that contradicts his world view.

11/17/2005 11:18:55 PM

NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR "FACTS" AND "RATIONAL THOUGHT," OK?!

11/17/2005 11:19:05 PM

its funny how in 2003, the soapbox was owned by conservatives. now you people are mostly screwed.

11/17/2005 11:28:01 PM

Well back then it was possible to make a reasonable arguement for their side.

11/17/2005 11:31:31 PM

Bush wanted to clear his administration's name. So far, nobody within his administration has even been indicted which to you people is the same as being guilty. Noboby can even clearly define whether outing Plame's name was a crime to begin with.

I think that it should be proven that outing Plame's name is a secuirty violation before people repeat the same dumb shit over and over again as if it is a stated fact.

Pryderi, your links to your kook sites does not prove that there has even been a crime committed so therefore you should stop repeating the same old tired lies, beginning with Plame's covert status since she wasn't.

11/17/2005 11:43:05 PM

hello pot, kettle calling. you look awful black today.

11/17/2005 11:45:21 PM

Quote :

"Wlfpk4Life: Plame was not covert so how could she be outed. Get your facts straight."

Quote :

"Wlfpk4Life: Noboby can even clearly define whether outing Plame's name was a crime to begin with."

OMG FLIP-FLOP!1

11/17/2005 11:46:11 PM

Quote :

"Pryderi, your links to your kook sites does not prove that there has even been a crime committed so therefore you should stop repeating the same old tired lies, beginning with Plame's covert status since she wasn't."

I was quoting Patrick Fitzgerald's news conference.

Quote :

"In July 2003 the fact that Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer was classified. Not only was it classified, but it was not widely known outside the intelligence community. Valerie Wilson's friends, neighbors, college classmates had no idea she had another life. The fact that she was a CIA Officer was not well known for her protection or for the benefit of all of us. It's important that a CIA officer's identity be protected, that it be protected not just for the officer but for the nation's security. "

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/media/july-dec05/fitzgerald_10-28.html

[Edited on November 17, 2005 at 11:46 PM. Reason : new link]

11/17/2005 11:46:13 PM

these arguments prove that there are TONS of useless political information out there

11/17/2005 11:48:26 PM

http://workingforchange.speedera.net/www.workingforchange.com/webgraphics/wfc/TMW08-03-05.jpg

This pic needs to be posted again, it reminds me of wlfpk4life

11/17/2005 11:51:11 PM

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/documents/libby_indictment_28102005.pdf

The Libby indictment.

11/17/2005 11:51:21 PM

boonedocks, those 2 quotes are 2 sides of the same coin. She was not covert. The prosecutor hasn't even determined whether outing her name was a crime. If it was so clear that she was covert then it would have been made apparent a long time ago by the prosecutor?

11/17/2005 11:51:41 PM

Quote :

" If it was so clear that she was not covert then it would have been made apparent a long time ago by the prosecutor? "

11/17/2005 11:56:14 PM

The question about whether outing her name was a crime has nothing to do with whether or not she was covert; her status as a CIA officer was classified. The question about whether it was a crime hinges on whether or not her name was intentionally outed--that is what the investigation was about, and that is what has thus far been obscured in the investigation, resulting in perjury charges.

11/18/2005 12:26:14 AM

Quote :

"here is more than enough reason to believe that she could have been a part of a conspiracy, along with her husband and others within the CIA, to undermind the White House before the US went into Iraq"

you see....in this mans mind, trying to get the TRUTH about intel out is basically a crime

and she DESERVED to get outed for taking on people marching us off to war based on lies.

i mean, think about that...

[Edited on November 18, 2005 at 1:47 AM. Reason : 0 ]

11/18/2005 1:46:09 AM

Quote :

"My commitment to our country has been steadfast from the day I signed up to serve in the Navy through my service as a United States Senator fighting for our troops and our national security. Too often when it’s been time to tell the truth to the American people, Vice President Cheney has had other priorities."

--John Kerry

11/18/2005 11:01:38 AM

http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&q=woodward

lots of apologies

11/22/2005 2:09:50 AM