YOU ARE AN IDIOT. STONE IS 2-0 NEVER TALK AGAIN. K THX

11/5/2005 7:25:16 PM

HAHA YOU LOOK LIKE A BITCH CHARLIE BAHAHAHAHAHA

11/5/2005 7:25:45 PM

In all seriousness, Marcus didnt play that great, but got the win. The defense won this game.

11/5/2005 7:26:24 PM

IN ALL SERIOUSNESS MARCUS BEAT FSU

11/5/2005 7:26:58 PM

^^ the truth



PS NC State beat FSU not Marcus Stone



[Edited on November 5, 2005 at 7:27 PM. Reason : damn ninja posters]

11/5/2005 7:27:03 PM

but just like last week, he made the plays when he had to.

key word: WIN

11/5/2005 7:27:19 PM

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"In all seriousness, Marcus didnt play that great, but got the win. The defense won this game."

True, but could you imagine if we put Jay Davis in?

11/5/2005 7:28:52 PM

^ perish the thought

11/5/2005 7:29:28 PM

Umm Im not taking sides, but how hard is it to hand it off to ANDRE BROWN!!!

11/5/2005 7:29:58 PM

^^hence the thread.

^Not very. Than again how would 4 or 5 INTs have helped with Davis at the helm?

[Edited on November 5, 2005 at 7:31 PM. Reason : -]

11/5/2005 7:30:05 PM

Quote :

"Umm Im not taking sides, but how hard is it to hand it off to ANDRE BROWN!!!"

not that hard, but he did make a couple completions downfield that backed the D up some.

11/5/2005 7:31:21 PM

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"The team plays harder when Stone is in there. Therefore, Stone gives us a better chance to win than Davis."

This somes it up. I was thinking about this, if the team played this hard all year....just imagine. Just my thoughts.

11/5/2005 7:35:12 PM

amen.... the "it" factor, undefinable ability to win

11/5/2005 7:40:58 PM

i'm not reading the rest of the thread

but marcus did finally step up in the second half, but still

nothing else he has shown has made him stand out. it definitely wasnt as obvious as some of you guys want it to be.

11/5/2005 7:45:48 PM

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"This somes it up."

really?

Quote :

"but how hard is it to hand it off to ANDRE BROWN!!!"

but yea that is true too, davis never has the benefit of a running game to take the pressure off.



but GG marcus, lets see some more improvement next week.

11/5/2005 7:47:09 PM

I'll say it now:


Stone doesn't put up breakout numbers. He's very pedestrian when you look at the stat book.


Jay Davis puts up breakout numbers... if you're the other team's defensive ranking.

11/5/2005 7:49:20 PM

Wonder what our record would be if Andre was playing earlier in the year? Ill beat we could have beaten Wake and UNC.

11/5/2005 7:49:25 PM

um you Charlie/jay supporters fail to recognize his TD pass and 0 turnovers.

11/5/2005 7:49:51 PM

Stone had zero turnovers, and we won...the stats honestly mean nothing otherwise

11/5/2005 7:51:16 PM

^uh no. it means that he played efficiently, and jay cant do that. it means hes 2-0 as a starter.

11/5/2005 7:54:06 PM

1) Stone did not win the game for us.
1) Stone did not lose the game for us.

He gave us a chance to win. Brown was huge again. With Stone in, we play better for whatever reason.

He has to play '03 Delhomme, just don't fuck up. We got the D to lean on, get a few first downs, maybe a FG, the D will pull us through. Many teams have won with this model.

11/5/2005 7:54:10 PM

Roethlisberger makes a pretty good living as just an efficient QB

11/5/2005 7:55:25 PM

THEREFORE THE STAT MEANS HE PLAYS EFFIECIENTLY

11/5/2005 7:56:50 PM

1 completion for 8 yards in the 1st half

Andre Brown and the defense won this game

Marcus handed the ball off very well and didn't make any mistakes

He didn't do anything to win the game or lose the game

I'm not gonna rag on him, but he's not the reason we won

Quote :

"True, but could you imagine if we put Jay Davis in? "

we would have had a decent passing game, instead of a barely sub-par one

Quote :

"Than again how would 4 or 5 INTs have helped with Davis at the helm? "

you can't get interceptions if you don't throw the ball...

[Edited on November 5, 2005 at 8:52 PM. Reason : adsf]

11/5/2005 8:50:37 PM

Quote :

"1 completion for 8 yards in the 1st half Andre Brown and the defense won this game Marcus handed the ball off very well and didn't make any mistakes He didn't do anything to win the game or lose the game I'm not gonna rag on him, but he's not the reason we won"

give me a fucking break, you can't post incomplete stats to argue a point, fuck that.

11/5/2005 8:53:31 PM

If Jay Davis has an Andre Brown playing with him

then Jay Davis would get the undeserved recognition Stone is getting

and if the offense played bad b/c they didn't like Jay, then they're at fault for losing, not Jay

11/5/2005 8:54:32 PM

Marcus is the leader of the team as QB. Our defense played great. Andre was amazing. BUT Stone threw a TD and did what was necessary to win. Jay had his chance last year when The defense played great and he lost.

11/5/2005 8:55:38 PM

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"give me a fucking break, you can't post incomplete stats to argue a point, fuck that."

i can by saying that Stone is not a complete qb

he needs Chuck to threaten benching his ass for Davis at halftime to step up and start playing

being a 4th quarter qb will not win get you everywhere

[Edited on November 5, 2005 at 8:59 PM. Reason : two thoughts, one sentence, sorry]

11/5/2005 8:56:04 PM

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"being a 4th quarter qb will not win get you everywhere"

WHAT???

11/5/2005 8:57:09 PM

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"Marcus is the leader of the team as QB. Our defense played great. Andre was amazing. BUT Stone threw a TD and did what was necessary to win. Jay had his chance last year when The defense played great and he lost."

Stone doesnt' lead

AJ Davis gave us the field position for Stone to throw a touchdown

Stone couldn't even march us halfway down the length of the field

Jay didn't have Andre last year

Stone has Andre and the defense

[Edited on November 5, 2005 at 9:00 PM. Reason : a]

11/5/2005 8:58:43 PM

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"he needs Chuck to threaten benching his ass for Davis at halftime to step up and start playing "

i didnt know they allowed you in the locker room CHARLIE

11/5/2005 8:59:25 PM

oh and charlie, are you pissed that we won and that stone is 2-0 as a starter. would you be happier if jay had played and lost both of those games?

11/5/2005 9:00:25 PM

charlie how bout brian clark dropping the PERFECT td pass, forcing us to kick a field goal?

ya that's what I thought, STFU and GTFO.



[Edited on November 5, 2005 at 9:02 PM. Reason : .]

11/5/2005 9:01:05 PM

Girls...we're on the same team.



You're both right. Stone sucks... but Stone also is winning. It may not be becuase of his exceptional play, but he's winning.... enjoy it and quit being little girls

11/5/2005 9:01:39 PM

i'm not pissed we won

i'm glad we won

i disagree with Stone getting credit for the win

he didn't win the game, he was just there

but b/c he's the qb, he gets credit, which is bullshit

Jay Davis could have gotten the win if he had the help that Stone has

11/5/2005 9:01:55 PM

way to totally disregard my post, because you know it is right and have no argument.

[Edited on November 5, 2005 at 9:02 PM. Reason : /]

11/5/2005 9:02:44 PM

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"charlie how bout when brian clark dropping the PERFECT td pass,"

man, if Jay had thrown it you'd say it was Jay's fault

b/c the very same situation (throwing a pass directly to a receiver and the receiver dropping it) has happened

11/5/2005 9:03:38 PM

Yeah, I think it's pretty stupid to credit Stone with the win.


It's also stupid to deny that we're 2-0 with Stone. Could Jay have won those? Maybe... but he sure as hell had plenty of opportunites over the past two years and didn't...even with a good running game.

I simply think the team plays more inspired with Stone... he breathes new life into our team.

11/5/2005 9:05:49 PM

statefan24
11/5/2005 9:01:05 PM

CharlieEFH
11/5/2005 9:01:55 PM


50 seconds...

incase you can't do the math yourself...

11/5/2005 9:06:00 PM

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"but he sure as hell had plenty of opportunites over the past two years and didn't...even with a good running game. "

what good running game?

TA 50% everyother game

Baker and Blackman running up the middle for maybe two yards?!

Davis rarely had a running game that accounted for more than 200 yards a game



Stone has Brown who has run for 2 200 yard games

and a defense who gives him good field position during times when Stone scores

Stone has better supporting cast

Stone looks better to people who fail to realize that

11/5/2005 9:09:15 PM

my bad on the math part. didnt see that. ANYWAY

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"man, if Jay had thrown it you'd say it was Jay's fault b/c the very same situation (throwing a pass directly to a receiver and the receiver dropping it) has happened "

that is complete bullshit, you have no idea what I would say. I wouldnt say it was the QB's fault if he made a perfect pass and the reciever dropped it. I was a supporter of jay davis for a long time, but I can also see what is staring me in the face. jay had his time, but it's marcus' turn now, and he is 2-0.

[Edited on November 5, 2005 at 9:11 PM. Reason : .]

11/5/2005 9:09:29 PM

Charlie, in his 2nd career start his team beats #9 FSU. And how about good old jays stats last year vs. FSU J.Davis 6-19-0-72 Stone this year 9-17-0-85 and a TD. call me crazy but Jay had his chance last year. And 6-19 Hmmm. he sucks. You say stone sucks but ill take 9-17 for 85 yards a TD over jays everyday.

11/5/2005 9:11:20 PM

when have i said stone sucks in the thread?

when?

tell me?

because i'd like to know

11/5/2005 9:16:09 PM

^

Quote :

"so I'd just rather watch Jay Davis because I like him better than Stone and I won't be here to give a shit about how bad Stone sucks next year"

not in this thread but oh well.

11/5/2005 9:23:43 PM

^^Nobody is saying Stone played great (from your earlier comments about that). The only point of this thread was to point out that you're an idiot. Stone won, he doesn't deserve the credit thanks to Andre and the D, but he won.

WON WON WON WON WON WON WON

Who gives a fuck about anything else.

11/5/2005 9:46:26 PM

Quote :

"1 completion for 8 yards in the 1st half Andre Brown and the defense won this game Marcus handed the ball off very well and didn't make any mistakes He didn't do anything to win the game or lose the game I'm not gonna rag on him, but he's not the reason we won "

he IS part of the reason we won!

he took hits, ran for a couple extra yards when it was there, avoided a number of sacks, and threw a TD pass when it counted!

Good job marcus

FUCK you CharlieEFH, and fuck MacGyver, you said it would get worse with Stone at the helm and you were wrong, could not have been more wrong, nobody here, or at NCSU would rather watch Davis throw 300 yds and lose the game for us, Marcus is tough, he played smart, and he is an athlete, and not a pussy, it is fun to have a QB that does not play scared 100% of the time

if i were you i would not even try to defend myself, you put yourself SO FAR onto one side of an argument there is nothing you can do!

go away

STONE AGE: Wolfpack 2-0

11/5/2005 9:51:05 PM

i think what everyone is trying to say is that


with stone: good ball control/movement; nothing spectacular but nothing back-breaking.
with davis: shaky ball control/movement; not enough good plays to validate the bad ones



we're not saying stone wins the games, but stone is enough of a non-bonehead to not lose them

11/5/2005 9:51:35 PM

See, that long completion to Tramain was exactly why we play better with Stone in. Not that he's going to throw the ball downfield a lot, but they still have to respect it.

11/5/2005 9:56:05 PM

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"he needs Chuck to threaten benching his ass for Davis at halftime to step up and start playing"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHA

remind me never to read a charlie post again

11/5/2005 9:58:14 PM

^haha...yeah, cause putting up 10 points (although 1 completion) sucked.

11/5/2005 10:01:47 PM