i've decided

Quote :

"Even so, Cordier said he has been stunned by the recent runup in oil and gasoline prices and the lack of any response from motorists. Gasoline prices averaged $2.37 a gallon nationwide last week, while demand picked up by 1.4 percent from a year ago, according to the government data."

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050810/D8BT56DO0.html

8/11/2005 9:53:38 AM

some of that might be seasonal

8/11/2005 9:55:40 AM

i'm sorry
i didn't realize "a year ago" factored in fucking seasons


i guess august wasn't a summer month last year

8/11/2005 9:58:44 AM

8/11/2005 10:07:13 AM

ahahahahahahah

8/11/2005 10:08:40 AM

of course we're to fucking blame...

10 years ago most of the vehicles on the road were still cars...

in the last 10 years we've gone from probably around 25% trucks and suvs to between 50 and 60% trucks and suvs...

you can't have that kind of a drastic drop in fuel mileage without expecting drastic increases in the price of gas...

8/11/2005 10:18:37 AM

Gas isn't expensive.

8/11/2005 10:27:36 AM

i dont mind the prices going up. i might have to pay around $23 to fill up my tank, but i know suvs have to pay over $50 to fill up theirs

8/11/2005 10:32:03 AM

Yeah, but it's fun for some to bitch.

8/11/2005 10:32:06 AM

the best is H2 owners literally whining at the pump. too bad no one pities them.

8/11/2005 10:34:19 AM

yeah mr joshua

roll your e-eyes all day long

in the end

you made a stupid fucking point
and you got called out on it

8/11/2005 10:39:21 AM

indeed i did.

the eye roll was aimed at myself, i apologize for any confusion.

8/11/2005 10:42:18 AM

children. play pretty.

8/11/2005 10:48:10 AM

Maybe the number of motorists is up by 1.4% from last year? What's our population reaching driving age growth over the past year? I'm too lazy to look it up.

Hell, who cares.

8/12/2005 1:58:05 AM

or hey
perhaps
SUV SALES CONTINUE TO GROW

you wanna look up some facts
see which is growing faster

the price per barrell
or
the number of explorers sold thanks to "ford employee pricing"

8/12/2005 3:18:08 AM

We didnt seem to have trouble lowering consumption last time there was a fuel crisis

8/12/2005 3:26:21 AM

you know what, that inflation adjusted shit is bullshit.

8/12/2005 3:32:03 AM

Quote :

"or hey perhaps SUV SALES CONTINUE TO GROW"

Wow, thanks for not even giving my suggestion any consideration, save for it being a stepping stone for your own all-caps idea.

I don't like SUVs one bit. But I'd also like to explore the possibility that maybe there are more dirvers these days. Especially with illegal immigration the way it is.

[Edited on August 12, 2005 at 3:40 AM. Reason : Moo]

8/12/2005 3:39:48 AM

clearly, it's because there are more roads to drive on.

8/12/2005 6:11:49 AM

Do you guys REALLY believe that SUVs are to blame for these gas prices? Have you even been paying attention to the extent to which China is ramping up its oil consumption?

8/12/2005 6:59:57 AM

oil at $66 a barrel and rising doesn't help. just wait till it hits 100

8/12/2005 8:10:41 AM

Quote :

"you know what, that inflation adjusted shit is bullshit."

how so?

8/12/2005 10:00:04 AM

we really need to go to war with china. they keep fucking our economy up with their damn boom.

8/12/2005 10:36:36 AM

Quote :

"Have you even been paying attention to the extent to which China is ramping up its oil consumption"

you mean the same way that america's love affair with suvs is ramping up our consumption

i'm very willing to discuss china in another thread

this thread is about the fact that despite the rising and scary price of fuel
demand is still rising

i'd rather talk about mr. more drivers than mr. china

8/12/2005 10:48:20 AM

look at oil consumption over the last 10, hell 5 years for us and china and see which has a startling increase.

different thread. sry

[Edited on August 12, 2005 at 11:12 AM. Reason : *]

8/12/2005 11:11:39 AM

SUVs are a red herring.

A lot of factors go into the increase in demand including a larger number of drivers, longer commutes due to urban sprawl, etc. Attributing it solely to SUVs is simply fallacious.

You can add an increase in SUVs there, assuming SUV sales have also increased since a year ago, but I don't know if that is true or not.

8/12/2005 11:46:26 AM

Quote :

"SUVs are a red herring. A lot of factors go into the increase in demand including a larger number of drivers, longer commutes due to urban sprawl, etc. Attributing it solely to SUVs is simply fallacious. You can add an increase in SUVs there, assuming SUV sales have also increased since a year ago, but I don't know if that is true or not."

Finally, someone who has some sense around here!

8/12/2005 11:54:47 AM

Bring conspicous consumption down.

Bring local refineries and solar power up.

8/12/2005 12:30:13 PM

see
i'll go with bobby's points here

gg

8/12/2005 1:01:59 PM

Woodfoot and Bobby GG.

BUT I'D LIKE TO MAKE A DISCLAIMER:

IF YOU'RE GOING TO POST GAS STASTICS AND CLAIM PRICES AREN'T HIGH

PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR SHIT DOESN'T END IN 2004.

CAUSE I JUST FILLED UP MY TANK AT 2.35$ A GALLON

AND THAT SHIT AINT CHEAP.

8/12/2005 1:11:01 PM

i get so tired of this

WELL WHEN YOU FACTOR IT FOR INFLATION ITS CHEAPER THAN ITS EVER BEEN!

fuck that

MY CAR DOESN'T FACTOR MPG FOR INFLATION DOUCHEBAGS

my 95 camry only goes the same 33 mpg it went a decade ago

8/12/2005 1:20:02 PM

Quote :

"WELL WHEN YOU FACTOR IT FOR INFLATION ITS CHEAPER THAN ITS EVER BEEN! "

Something doesn't sound right...

I guess a better adjustment would be the ratio of monthly wage spent on gas.

I mean I don't think the minimum wages have ever been inflation adjusted.

8/12/2005 1:38:30 PM

Quote :

"i get so tired of this WELL WHEN YOU FACTOR IT FOR INFLATION ITS CHEAPER THAN ITS EVER BEEN! fuck that MY CAR DOESN'T FACTOR MPG FOR INFLATION DOUCHEBAGS my 95 camry only goes the same 33 mpg it went a decade ago"

that makes no sense. since when does gas price affect mpg?

8/12/2005 1:41:03 PM

Well, the per-capita income in 1980 was $12,276. In 2002 it was $36,340.

So, if in 1980 the price of a gallon of gasoline broke $1, to be comparable today it must be above $3 a gallon.

Don't get us wrong, the price of a gallon of gasoline, inflation adjusted, was far less in 1998 than it is today. So, over the short term of the past seven years the price of gasoline has gone up almost 2.5 fold. The trick is, from 1980 to 1998 it fell over three fold.

So, if you are too young to remember life before 1998, then from your sheltered perspective todays gas prices are outragious.

8/12/2005 2:30:56 PM

Someone on here did a comparison of average wages/gas prices that was pretty good a while back.

8/12/2005 2:33:12 PM

sure, im paying more for gas then i did in the mid 90s.

but im also making a shitload more money....so its all good in my book.

8/12/2005 2:33:15 PM

YOU KNOW HOW TO ARGUE WITH ALL THIS INFLATION SHIT

COLLEGE KID INCOME

I DONT FUCKING CARE IF SOME ASSHOLE WHO MADE 12000$ TEN YEARS AGO PAYED THE SAME FOR GAS AS I DO

FUCK

I DON'T EVEN MAKE 12000$.

MAKING $12000 A YEAR AND PAYING 3.00$ A GALLON FOR GAS WOULD BE A BIG FUCKING IMPROVEMENT OVER MY CURRENT SITUATION.

CHAMP.

8/12/2005 3:10:47 PM

people that cant afford things have to do without.

thats just the way the world works.

champ.

8/12/2005 3:12:24 PM

I blame the return of swing dancing.

8/12/2005 3:21:43 PM

AWSOME

I ALWAYS WANTED TO USE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

OH WAIT

8/12/2005 3:55:33 PM

wait, what's wrong with public transportation?

8/12/2005 3:58:58 PM

I don't use public transportation for the same reason I don't use the public pool, I don't like other people's urine.

8/12/2005 4:02:04 PM

LACK THERE OF

APPARENTLY YOU HAVEN'T TRIED TO GET ANYWHERE THAT WASN'T A BIG CONSUMER LANDMARK.

8/12/2005 4:02:49 PM

my bicycle doesnt have urine on it. its nice not living far from anything you need. then you have plenty of gas money for road trips...

8/12/2005 4:29:12 PM

STOP WHINING

8/12/2005 6:03:44 PM

WELL WHEN YOU FACTOR IN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS...

8/12/2005 6:29:17 PM

LARGE LETTERS

AND THE WORD

CHAMP

8/12/2005 6:33:50 PM

Quote :

"my bicycle doesnt have urine on it."

...yet.

8/13/2005 1:54:23 AM

There are also a lot more cars in other countries such as China.

8/13/2005 2:31:11 AM

Quote :

"WELL WHEN YOU FACTOR IN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS"

8/13/2005 2:43:08 AM